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New Nail Polish Alerts Wearers To Date Rape Drugs

samzenpus posted about a month ago | from the at-the-tips-of-your-fingers dept.

Science 595

stephendavion writes Checking to see if your drink has been tampered with is about to get a whole lot more discreet. Thanks to the work of four North Carolina State University undergrads, you'll soon be able to find out without reaching for a testing tool. That's because you'll already have five of them on each hand. The team — Ankesh Madan, Stephen Gray, Tasso Von Windheim, and Tyler Confrey-Maloney — has come up with a creative and unobtrusive way to package chemicals that react when exposed to Rohypnol and GHB. They put it in nail polish that they're calling Undercover Colors.

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Seriously, we're not rapists.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747519)

Okay what the fuck /. Do you think all of us here are rapists or some shit? What the hell is going on with all of the man hating on this site?

Re:Seriously, we're not rapists.... (4, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about a month ago | (#47747553)

I think it might be that you respond this way when no one accused you of it.

Methinks the not-lady doth protest too much.

Re:Seriously, we're not rapists.... (-1, Troll)

invictusvoyd (3546069) | about a month ago | (#47747835)

If u'd date someone who'd rape you, you just havent evolved enough to use the first test .. gut feelin .

Re:Seriously, we're not rapists.... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747623)

And obviously that's what they're suggesting here, that you and me and every other guy on the planet is despicable scum.

Has it ever occurred to you that this is a valid and common concern? It's ridiculous that women have to go through such lengths to feel safe going out. But the current reality is that it IS necessary. Not because you yourself might spike their drink, but the chance that someone might is high enough, and the result is horrific enough, that products like this are the necessity.

And instead of sympathizing with that, you decided to make this about how you personally feel slighted that anyone would suggest there's a need for this.

Re:Seriously, we're not rapists.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747947)

Yes, fuck you and your SJW brethren. This isn't Tumblr, this isn't Reddit. Go slither back into whatever hole you crawled out of.

Re:Seriously, we're not rapists.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747647)

Seriously, yeah, that's right. Most women see all men as potential rapists. Why? Because they are! Really.

Re:Seriously, we're not rapists.... (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | about a month ago | (#47747665)

Just ask your mom.

Re:Seriously, we're not rapists.... (1)

F34nor (321515) | about a month ago | (#47747797)

Oh snap!

Re:Seriously, we're not rapists.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747919)

Why do you think the Arabs assume their women are going to be raped if they go out in public alone?

Because they would all rape a woman who is out in public alone.

It is also why they assume the woman "asked for it", because the women know this as well.

The world we live in. (5, Insightful)

jcon1 (2790581) | about a month ago | (#47747521)

That we need ways to test drinks for date rape drugs shows the state of the world we live in. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

The world we live in. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747541)

We don't have to. The better solution would be to use cups that are covered and not set them down after being filled.

As far as this technology goes, it might cut down on those particular drugs being used, but I doubt they're the only ones that people use.

Re: The world we live in. (5, Insightful)

AvitarX (172628) | about a month ago | (#47747591)

I'm willing to bet strait alcohol is the most common one.

Re: The world we live in. (1, Troll)

Xiaran (836924) | about a month ago | (#47747689)

It is and there have been numerous studies to back this up. The stories about Rohypnol and GHB are all moral panic bollocks. Why bother using complicated, hard to obtain and potentially dangerous drugs when good old fashion vodka will do the trick for a would be rapist. This is a solution for a problem that does not really exist.

Re: The world we live in. (5, Interesting)

F34nor (321515) | about a month ago | (#47747859)

Ok, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you're a completely stupid fuck. For one thing I know someone who had roofies used on her. She knew a member of the frat since they were little kids and he still pulled a "bros before hoes" on her. (Yes I know he was probably the rapist.) I have also stumbled on someone in downtown Portland who had been given something. Had one drink and she couldn't walk properly. Roofies are not a "moral panic block", they are widely available, tasteless and odorless drug used by sociopaths to rape people. Do you read the news? Do know who many women are raped each year on campuses in the US? Take your useless, ignorant, thoughtless, opinion and have some frat boy tape it to his dick and shove it up your ass and see what you "think" about it then.

Re: The world we live in. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47748081)

Wow, you couldn't have asked for a better illustration of moral panic in action. Bravo

P.S., It's "bollocks," not "block."

Re: The world we live in. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747933)

At least in Phoenix, it is actually a serious problem. Three family members of mine were drugged in a single night, but were lucky enough that one person in the group was not. It's a common occurrence at that particular bar, but they did not know that at the time. The fact that alcohol works and is plentiful does not negate the fact that there are people who use other easier methods.

Re: The world we live in. (5, Insightful)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about a month ago | (#47748079)

Being able to say no to liquor is extremely easy.

Being able to say no to GHB that's been slipped into your drink isn't.

Re:The world we live in. (5, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about a month ago | (#47747621)

I'm trying to come up with a way to point out that the world is fully of humans doing all sorts of awful things to each other, without it seem like condoning the date rapists as being "not so bad" or whatever.

I couldn't. Because there's something uniquely shitty about disabling and taking advantage of someone who's already going on a date with you. They went out of their way to spend time with you, and you just go "not good enough" and betray the hell out of them.

Re:The world we live in. (3, Informative)

sribe (304414) | about a month ago | (#47747759)

I couldn't. Because there's something uniquely shitty about disabling and taking advantage of someone who's already going on a date with you. They went out of their way to spend time with you, and you just go "not good enough" and betray the hell out of them.

While that is uniquely shitty, it's not all that "date rape" drugs are used for. It's not at all uncommon for them to be used on strangers at a bar.

Re:The world we live in. (2)

i kan reed (749298) | about a month ago | (#47747801)

True enough, but a huge majority of rape is acquaintance rape. I tend to avoid emphasizing stranger rape, because that's the stereotype that people already tend to over-focus on.

Re:The world we live in. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747653)

Crime is a reality of the human condition and has been since the beginning of civilization.

Re:The world we live in. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747661)

I think its sad that we need tests, but I don't think that speaks to the state of the world. Its unfortunate that some people will stoop to the level of spiking drinks, but its hardly a new thing. If anything I think that its great that the "arms race" for spiked drinks is starting to tilt the tables in the other direction. Making available technology that aides in exposing and hopefully catching and prosecuting the people who spike drinks will improve society.

This is Slashdot . . . (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747757)

Most of the assholes who would use date rape drugs are on here.

Re:This is Slashdot . . . (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747833)

So true. Every friday I go to the bar and take some date rape drugs, I don't' have any luck though.

OK, I was wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747915)

OK, I was wrong. There are some assholes here who would secretly use date rape drugs on women. But since this is Slashdot, most of the population are so dumb that they can't figure out how to use the drugs and end up accidentally administering them to themselves. They're still assholes, though. And when they end up out cold, heads down on the bar with a little drool coming out of their mouths, they just get ignored.

Re:This is Slashdot . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747955)

Do you run with the Wolfpack?

I heard that helps.

Re:The world we live in. (4, Insightful)

Dutch Gun (899105) | about a month ago | (#47747953)

It's a clever bit of science, but unfortunately, I fear the young ladies who are most likely in need of this product are probably not going to have the foresight to wear it. If they had such foresight in the first place, it seems like perhaps they wouldn't be in a position where someone they shouldn't trust could surreptitiously slip them drugs in their drinks.

I'm not "blaming the victim", mind you. No should be subject to drugging and rape regardless of circumstances, and the perps and deserve all the wrath our legal system can throw at them. I'm just pointing out that some people are more prone to making poor life choices. I'm sure we've all met them before. We feel really bad when these people are eaten by wolves, but we can't help but thinking: "was it really the best idea to go out in a suit made of meat and barbeque sauce?"

The big problem is that if you're drugged, you may not be in a suitable state of mind to fight off a would-be rapist even if you know you've been drugged. The best defense is, as always, for women to watch out for their friends when at bars and parties. Don't go wandering off alone after heavy drinking with a guy you don't know or trust. That's asking for trouble in about a million different ways. Drugged drinks are just another type of potential trouble among many.

As someone who went to NC State (5, Interesting)

i kan reed (749298) | about a month ago | (#47747537)

You have to sign over all inventions you create as undergrads to the university.

At least if you're an engineer.

The university was bitter about an undergrad project turning into a billion dollar company(SAS) and them not seeing a cut.

Re:As someone who went to NC State (2)

Steve Blake (13873) | about a month ago | (#47747677)

That is not consistent with the current policy:
http://policies.ncsu.edu/policy/pol-10-00-01/ [ncsu.edu]

Re:As someone who went to NC State (3, Informative)

i kan reed (749298) | about a month ago | (#47747783)

From that page(bolding mine):

All INVENTIONS arising from (1) research conducted with University-administered funds, (2) work within the INVENTOR’S SCOPE OF EMPLOYMENT, or (3) the SUBSTANTIAL USE OF UNIVERSITY RESOURCES are owned by the University.

I guess the relevant thing is whether they used university facilities to develop their chemical. My guess is that they did.

Re:As someone who went to NC State (1)

tapspace (2368622) | about a month ago | (#47748047)

That doesn't make any sense. You pay tuition to use those resources. Your output should be yours.

Re:As someone who went to NC State (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about a month ago | (#47748071)

Probably should, but not every policy ends up being just.

Re:As someone who went to NC State (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747883)

Also as someone who went to NC State this is not (or at least no longer depending on when your experience was) true. It is true that undergraduates are required to file invention disclosures with the University but as long as it is evident that the invention in the disclosure was not "specially enabled" by access to University resources that aren't openly available to all students the rights to the invention are assigned to the student. The specially enabled clause only applies in situations where a student makes use of something that you can't get access to just by being a student or signing up for a class (say, access to the nuclear reactor to test materials, or access to research equipment in a faculty's lab).

Re: As someone who went to NC State (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747895)

As someone who was down the road at UNC when it happened, NC state encouraged Goodnight and Sall to take the project elesewhere. It was originally a USG funded ag statistic program, open-source and freely distributed . We all thought Goodnight was crazy for dropping tenure on such a wild and crazy idea.

Re:As someone who went to NC State (1)

Koreantoast (527520) | about a month ago | (#47748045)

Some corrections needed here:

1. SAS wasn't created as an undergrad project, it was a large, multi-university and government agency collaboration with Professor Goodnight, at that time a member of the faculty, one of the researchers.

2. Universities spinoff new companies all the time: this is hardly the first or last time that students and faculty at a university have used their research to start new companies. Nor is NC State particularly unique in this IP clause, and this clause hasn't stopped start ups in the past or present.

3. Goodnight was a statistician, not an engineer (different colleges).

4. Despite your implications that there's bitterness between the two, Goodnight and NC State have very strong relations and a history of collaboration; just this past year, he's got at least a million in scholarships for future statisticians at the university. There's also a lot of research funds, support and materials that flow between him and the university, the Statistics department in particular. I would go so far as to argue that the Statistics department's reputation and ranking are in part driven by the success of SAS.

Discreet? (1, Insightful)

B33rNinj4 (666756) | about a month ago | (#47747561)

Yes, because sticking your nails into a drink is totally discreet. I still think the best method is to just not leave a drink unattended when you're out.

Re:Discreet? (4, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about a month ago | (#47747659)

It takes 2 seconds with your back turned to get a drink spiked. The level of responsibility you're demanding is beyond human. Unless you spend your entire night focusing on nothing but your beverage(which I gotta say, is worse than dunking your finger in your drink occasionally), that's not going to work.

Re:Discreet? (2)

Millennium (2451) | about a month ago | (#47747733)

It's more discreet than using a special straw, which seems to have been the predecessor (at least in spirit) of this new method.

If you can get 10 drinks in her.... (1, Flamebait)

funwithBSD (245349) | about a month ago | (#47747565)

you don't need the rape drugs.

Anything similar to alert men of the dangers of... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747585)

...false rape accusation? Some cologne or hand cream alerting you about a total bitch or so?

Re:Anything similar to alert men of the dangers of (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747725)

If you don't fornicate, you're never in danger of false rape accusations.
A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

Re:Anything similar to alert men of the dangers of (2)

Bigbutt (65939) | about a month ago | (#47747827)

Seriously? Never heard of the Duke Lacrosse Team that was falsely accused of rape?

[John]

Re:Anything similar to alert men of the dangers of (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747929)

Yes you are. If you do anything that a crazy woman doesn't like, she can just accuse you of rape. Who would they believe? They'll default to the woman being right without any evidence.

I've seen it before on a few occasions. About a year ago, a friend's cousin accused her new boyfriend of raping her. She was at the police station crying her eyes out for hours. Eventually she confessed that she lied, and what really happened was that she took a bunch of nude pictures and sent them to him, and he showed his friends. So to get back at him, she made up this whole rape story to punish him.

Hell, how about the case recently where a woman claimed that her boyfriend, who happened to be a well-respected judge, had assaulted her? He had video proof that she lied about the whole thing, and yet that evidence was completely discarded and ignored while they went through with the case against him, despite the fact that he did nothing wrong.

The truth of the mater is, women have absolutely no problem playing the victim card when it suits them. They lie and manipulate to garner support to punish innocent people.

I wish we didn't need something like this (5, Insightful)

kheldan (1460303) | about a month ago | (#47747593)

Why do enough members of my own gender have to be such creepy bastards that we need something like this to be developed? I enjoy sex as much as the next healthy, red-blooded adult man does, but I have never had to slip drugs into some woman's drink to get it. I sure as hell haven't always 'got the girl' at the end of the night, but seriously? How fucked up do you have to be to do something like this? Shit like this is one of the many reasons why, if there are alien civilizations out there watching us, that they don't contact us openly: We still act like goddamn animals (and no, I'm not trying to be funny).

C'mon guys, knock this shit off already!

This is Slashdot . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747635)

. . . Filled with creeps that think this stuff is perfectly normal. Your words will fall on deaf ears, or be marked as flamebait by all the "ZOMG men's rights!!111!111" fuckups around here.

(For the record, I'm a heterosexual guy. But I'm not a fuckup.)

Re:This is Slashdot . . . (4, Interesting)

kheldan (1460303) | about a month ago | (#47747687)

I encourage you to stand with me here, instead of posting as an AC. I don't believe in this 'rape culture' nonsense I keep hearing about, but I do believe that us men have a responsibility to police our own against these flaming assholes that do shit like this. The line needs to be drawn here, and no farther.

Re:This is Slashdot . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747889)

I can pretty much guarantee that in my neck of the woods if a girl in a bar all the sudden yelled "hey this guy is trying to drug me" and something that looked like slightly plausible proof, that guy would get the shit kicked out of him. But hey, I'm just a redneck in a hick town so maybe you big city folks don't behave the same.

Re:I wish we didn't need something like this (1, Flamebait)

sjwt (161428) | about a month ago | (#47747709)

Lets see..
False rape claims and 'honor councils' leading men to just give up on women all together
http://washingtonexaminer.com/... [washingtonexaminer.com]

43% of men have been ''Raped'' under what the feminist movement keeps trying to push a rape claim as.
http://time.com/37337/nearly-h... [time.com]

Would you like to take a rethink if its 'Men are creepy bastards' or 'Humans are creepy ass bastards and bitches'

Re:I wish we didn't need something like this (1)

kheldan (1460303) | about a month ago | (#47747791)

I am not disputing anything that you're saying, however:
RE: 'Men are creepy bastards':
Here, let me fix that for you, since you seem to be paraphrashing me without my permission: 'SOME men are creepy bastards'.
Also: I said: We have to police our own. How about we clean up our own house before criticizing the cleanliness of someone else's? Honestly, what kind of 'civilization' do we really have, where this shit goes on at all anymore?

Re:I wish we didn't need something like this (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747719)

Wow, what a cheesy overly PC statement. Friend-zoned much? Stop emasculating yourself; stop being ashamed of your gender.

Re:I wish we didn't need something like this (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747779)

He's not ashamed of his gender, just assholes like you.

Re:I wish we didn't need something like this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747875)

whoa, op gone anon to respond, doesn't like when being criticized and having your flaws pointed out for you?

Re:I wish we didn't need something like this (4, Interesting)

i kan reed (749298) | about a month ago | (#47747751)

Why do enough members of my own gender have to be such creepy bastards that we need something like this to be developed?

Well, it's not actually that complicated. There's a few common psychological threads that tend to unite serial rapists. Pyschopathy/sociopathy/anti-social personality disorder(whatever you feel like calling it) is one. People who just can't imagine another persons' perspective at all tend to be capable of some pretty shitty things for pretty stupid reasons.

Another is a flexible definition of rape. They tend to look for an excuse for why something "doesn't count" as rape. So they blame "mixed signals" or "unreasonable rejection" or "playing games" or similar kinds of behavior. People tend to be excellent rationalizes, and after the first rape, serial rapists tend to start finding any excuse.

(Oh, and don't mistake "serial rapists" for the common image of stranger violently raping women on the street, most serial rapists still engage in acquaintance rape. That's a pretty important distinction.)

Re:I wish we didn't need something like this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747767)

We don't you fucking cretin. Date rape drugs are an irrational paranoid fantasy. It's like selling an anti-meteorite strike hat... not that that will stop your kind of self-hating bullshit.

Re:I wish we didn't need something like this (0)

kheldan (1460303) | about a month ago | (#47747821)

Date rape drugs are an irrational paranoid fantasy

Is that what you tell yourself before, during, or after you've removed her panties from her semi-conscious body?
If you want me to take any inflammatory utter bullshit like that even remotely seriously, you're going to have to come out and NOT post as an Anonymous Coward, you piece of shit.

Re:I wish we didn't need something like this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747913)

Were you getting hard while you accused the AC of being a rapist with no justification... you weirdo.

Re:I wish we didn't need something like this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747789)

It probably surprise you that drug-assisted robbery was more prevalent that drug-assisted rape and that men are just as likely, if not more so, to be the victims.

Re:I wish we didn't need something like this (1)

kheldan (1460303) | about a month ago | (#47747851)

So what? What the hell does that have to do with anything, other than maybe you're trying to deflect myself and others from the actual subject? Also, why should I take anything just another goddamn Anonymous Coward says here even remotely seriously? You're not helping here by doing that, you're actually making things worse.

Re:I wish we didn't need something like this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747867)

"Why do enough members of my own gender have to be such creepy bastards that we need something like this to be developed?"

They don't. You poor indoctrinated fool. No-one ever lost money convincing women that every man around her secretly wants to rape her. The actual prevelance of date rape drug use is vanishingly low... and the vast majority of claims of it have been debunked by blood tests showing that the woman drank too much and passed out. Instead of taking responsiblility she simply claimed to have been drugged.

So really... you should be asking why women so fucking reluctant to take responsiblity for their own behaviour.

Re:I wish we didn't need something like this (2)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a month ago | (#47748029)

Why do enough members of my own gender have to be such creepy bastards that we need something like this to be developed?

Because those are the types of people we reward with powerful political positions and high paying jobs. Such is the power of charisma. The psychos are loaded with it.

Re:I wish we didn't need something like this (1)

gweihir (88907) | about a month ago | (#47748075)

Simple: They are not. This is profiteering from irrational fears.

In 14 years practising emergency medicine (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747631)

In 14 years practising emergency medicine, I've seen large numbers of young women who get drunk and come to A&E firmly believing that they've been given a "date rape drug," but when laboratory testing is used to confirm that belief I've only ever seen one actual case of drug-facilitated sexual assault. We live in a world with a lot less drug-facilitated date rape than fearmongering about date rape drugs.

Re:In 14 years practising emergency medicine (2)

TheCarp (96830) | about a month ago | (#47747845)

well wouldn't you expect GHB to be hard to detect since it occurs naturally anyway in the body and the body is excellent at eliminating it? I have taken it myself, it onsets in 10 minutes if the dose is large enough, and is pretty much back to baseline within an hour, its doubtful anyone in real disress makes it there fast enough to be reliably tested.

That said, I have little doubt you are mostly correct that its very few. Having personally gotten myself to debilitated states on both GHB and Alcohol, I would be hard pressed to really differentiate the effects (aside from GHBs lack of a hangover but, if you are doing both anyway....) from such a state.

I suspect the majority of such cases are really people who got drunker than they realized, and may have trouble believing that they drank that much.

Which brings up a very legitimate question: Do these nail polishes give a false sense of security when out drinking? Or, on the other hand, will simply having a "string on ones finger" itself help to remind the wearer to be more careful by inducing her to take conscious steps towards recognizing danger?

I suspect the former but.... I can't really say that the second is implausible either. Regardless, I am doubtful that their main effect of detecting these substances will, in and of itself, be of much use.

Re:In 14 years practising emergency medicine (1)

gweihir (88907) | about a month ago | (#47748061)

This person is an MD and knows all that. The labs of course will not run meaningless tests. If he "says 1 case in 14 years", you better believe that he knows what he is talking about.

That said, I completely agree that the alcohol is more of a problem, and that this may well increase risky behavior.

Re:In 14 years practising emergency medicine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747949)

Some experts think drug facilitated robberies are far more common and usually the victims in a lot of those cases are men who don't report the crime because they're embarrassed about the circumstances that led them to get drugged (hooking up with a stranger in bars/clubs).

Re:In 14 years practising emergency medicine (4, Informative)

Cardoor (3488091) | about a month ago | (#47748077)

i think your sample set and conclusions might be seriously biased. i'm no expert on rape-statistics, but it's my understanding that a very significant amount of non-drug-assisted rapes go unreported by the victims for a variety of reasons.

it seems to me that under the circumstances where a woman 'comes to' and can't even remember what happened (not to mention probably still feeling mentally/emotionally impaired from the chemical hangover) there would be an even higher incidence of the rapes going unreported.

it may still be possible that drug-facilitated rape occurs with less frequency than feared, but i see no ability to reach that conclusion logically from your estimation.

Re:In 14 years practising emergency medicine (1)

KingOfBLASH (620432) | about a month ago | (#47748089)

95% of marketing is convincing people they need your product. In very few cases, do they actually need it

What about the alcohol? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747633)

Most "date" rapes involve only alcohol.

Re:What about the alcohol? (1)

gweihir (88907) | about a month ago | (#47748013)

I am sure they can test for that too.

Great idea... (1)

flopsquad (3518045) | about a month ago | (#47747641)

... but did they have to name it like a bad 70's detective show? What's next, theme song by Isaac Hayes?

nice idea (3, Interesting)

Cardoor (3488091) | about a month ago | (#47747671)

my first thought was that this was redundant, as but it seem to me that women who are apt to buy and wear this nail polish would probably already follow the most basic rule.. if a drink leaves your hand... (or passes within someone else's range of dosing), you don't drink from it again. EVER. to me, that's probably the most basic think to teach girls new to bars. I was astounded when i was in thailand a couple of years ago taking a course, and when we hit a bar one night, a girl from my class (probably 21 or 22 years old) put her drink down and left it to dance.. only to go back to it afterwards. i gave her quite an earful about the dangers etc etc.

all that being said though, the rule wouldn't help you if the bartender is in cahoots with his buddy. you could also then only drink beer from a bottle (that you see opened in front of you), but for mixed drinks - why not have the extra level of security?

also, to the extent that people understand this exists, it may prevent ne'er do wells from trying it in the first place, as a positive test should result in some serious accusations flying that creepers would probably like to avoid.

Re:nice idea (1)

gweihir (88907) | about a month ago | (#47748005)

The thing is that these cases are so rare they are mostly an urban myth. Yes, they do happen, but it is far more likely to be run over by a car on the way to or from the bar. Getting drugged by way of your drink is _not_ a relevant risk, just like getting killed by a terrorist or "stranger danger" are not relevant risks. They merely get this attention because some people are using the idea to manipulate people.

A few issues with this... (2)

Zapotek (1032314) | about a month ago | (#47747685)

First of all, you've got to stick your fingers in your drink, which doesn't seem at all appealing. Why nail-polish? Why not just use the strips? If all you had was nail-polish and someone came out with strips, that'd be an improvement. This looks like a step backwards.
Secondly, what's the false-positive/false-negative rate on this thing? Were there any compromises in accuracy in order to make it work as a nail-polish?

Again, doesn't anyone see a problem with sticking your fingers in your drink? I know I'm the finicky type, but doesn't this look bothersome to anyone else?

Re:A few issues with this... (5, Insightful)

Cardoor (3488091) | about a month ago | (#47747745)

i think the benefit of nail polish is that it's subtle. to whip out a testing strip in a bar is to say "hey everyone - i think the guy im talking to may be a rapist and trying to drug me. pardon me while i conduct an experiment. "

to dip one fingertips into a well stirred (and presumably mostly full) drink could be very discreetly done. and i dont think hygienics should be an issue (esp with the alcohol content.) and if a girls fingertips are so grody she feels the hygiene is too rough, well.. then she may have bigger issues.

Re:A few issues with this... (1)

Zapotek (1032314) | about a month ago | (#47747829)

I think the subtlety will wear-off once this invention becomes common knowledge, if someone can see you dip a strip, they can see you dip your fingers. Actually, I can palm and dip a strip without others noticing, I can't do the same with my fingers though.
And I still can't help but find it gross, and not all drinks have a high alcohol content, and you'd be surprised what's under your fingernails -- cba to find the oblig XKCD.

Re:A few issues with this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47748053)

I've used my finger to stir my drink, just because that is something to do. I wasn't wearing special nail polish at the time, since most of us guys don't wear any anyways.

It isn't difficult for a woman to figure out how to discreetly test her drink with her finger. Not to mention, where would the woman keep the test strips, when her dress doesn't have pockets? Opening a purse is more noticeable than dipping a finger to play with ice cubes.

Re:A few issues with this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747809)

Have you never seen a woman string drink with her finger and suggestively sucking it slowly...ok I see what you mean.

Re: A few issues with this... (1)

hodet (620484) | about a month ago | (#47747823)

She wouldn't have to roll up her sleeve and dunk like a proctologist. A quick discreet swipe with her little finger would be fine. Seriously, how can anyone be shitting on this idea.

Re: A few issues with this... (1)

Zapotek (1032314) | about a month ago | (#47747861)

How am I shitting on the idea? Criticism is how you get improvement. Also, even if I were shitting on the idea, I'm pretty sure that'd have absolutely zero effect overall. You know this is a public forum right? I don't have veto power over the product, I'm just throwing my concerns out there, lighten up.

Re: A few issues with this... (0)

neilo_1701D (2765337) | about a month ago | (#47747941)

Seriously, how can anyone be shitting on this idea.

Simple: it infringes on their sense of entitlement and reinforces their need to be a victim.

Re: A few issues with this... (1)

Zapotek (1032314) | about a month ago | (#47748011)

Dude, I'm a guy, who doesn't wear nail-polish.

Re:A few issues with this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747841)

False positives are a serious concern. People tend to blindly trust technologies they don't really understand and I could see someone getting their ass kicked or arrested due to an 'attempted date rape' accusation that stemmed from a false positive.

As for sticking your finger in the drink, no I don't think it's really an issue. As women's fingernails typically extend past the tip of their finger, there would generally be no requirement to even get the finger wet. Besides, would you rather stick your own finger in your drink, or have some random guy stick himself inside you?

Re:A few issues with this... (1)

TadMSTR (996071) | about a month ago | (#47747901)

Have you got any better ideas for a subtle way of testing a drink? A finger is a lot more discreet than a paper strip. Try explaining why you are dipping a paper strip into your drink without accusing the guy of being a rapist. Slipping your finger in the drink is much less noticeable and almost no one will question it. This can be casually done many ways, for instance sticking your index finger in the glass while grabbing around the brim (not uncommon). The idea of the nail polish, applied before going out, is that it gives a woman a discreet way to test her drink. If it tests positive she can then covertly escape without alerting the guy that she found him out.

Re:A few issues with this... (1)

TheCarp (96830) | about a month ago | (#47747903)

> Why nail-polish? Why not just use the strips?

Easy, it reduces the steps required between returning to your drink or realizing you have forgotten to watch it, and doing the test. It removes....barriers. If you have to go into your pocket or purse to remove test strips, you are less likely to want to do it as often as you should....it could also be seen as insulting to whoever you are with that you don't trust them.

> doesn't anyone see a problem with sticking your fingers in your drink?

Not to me, but I understand that there are people grossed out by such things however, your body evolved to process far worst than whatever your fingers are likely to harbor, even after a night out drinking and touching doorknobs.

Re:A few issues with this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747907)

Well, the thing is that there are other drugs besides GHB and rohypnol that needs to be detected. It would be disastrous if the nail polish returned a negative result giving a false sense of security when, in fact, a drug that it's not designed to detect is used.

False positives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747743)

Any false positives? I hope they have insurance when some poor schlub gets accused based on nail polish and sues them.

Re:False positives? (1)

F34nor (321515) | about a month ago | (#47747775)

Save a sample you ignorant fuck. That's what labs are for.

Re:False positives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747843)

Know what "chain-of-evidence" means? An even if you could preserve an untainted sample, you still have no idea who put the drug in the drink. Was it the bartender, the server, one or more of the people the intended victim was with, or simply someone who happened to walk by a table backs were turned?

Re:False positives? (1)

gweihir (88907) | about a month ago | (#47747979)

Whit what they do to those "presumed innocent" in sexual cases these days, that could get really expensive.

Here's an idea! (1)

F34nor (321515) | about a month ago | (#47747773)

A How about the complete fucks who make Rohypnol just put indelible blue dye in it that also passes through to urine? Oh yeah because they are complete fucks. We should just make chemically assisted rape punishable by death.

Re:Here's an idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747825)

I am not a chemist, but I think a blue dye that passes through urine would be a real breakthrough. I know of no such current technology.

Re:Here's an idea! (1)

gweihir (88907) | about a month ago | (#47747975)

Threatening punishment, regardless of magnitude, has no effect here. There people are already deranged. "The law" is completely unable to solve these kinds of problems. It can make things worse though. Example: People that are afraid they will rape some child but have not done so (yet), are unable to get help as the law stupidly requires doctors to report them. The law is not a prevention tool. It is about revenge, and that is not helping the victims one bit in most cases.

dexterous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747873)

I guess someone will at least get fingered.

Allergies... Can they expand the detection? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747877)

I know a lot of folks with allergies and diet sensitivities. Wheat, Gluten, Dairy, Casein, Soy, Peanuts, Tree Nuts, Shellfish, etc... A detector like this could be really useful if the detected compounds were expanded.

Is this really necessary as a mass-market product? (1)

Joe Gillian (3683399) | about a month ago | (#47747917)

I thought that Rohypnol had been regulated so heavily that very few people can get their hands on it, and that those who can are also capable of getting something stronger and harder to detect. To me, this sounds like giving people an easy way to test for polonium poisoning in their food - sure, it might help if you're someone who has pissed off a foreign intelligence service (or the Russian government) but it's a non-issue for the vast majority of people... that and if they really want you dead, they have other methods.

I'm all for it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747931)

Let her dip her finger into her drink to check as often as she likes..
If it helps one girl avoid a predatory jerk, then I say great!
As I guy who likes women a lot and dates frequently, I have no problem with ladies having some independent reassurances I'm not some manipulative weirdo.
I probably wouldn't even notice that she checked... I'm like: This isn't something a non-creep like ever worries about. go ahead and google me, have a friend to call if you're uncomfortable etc.., st your phone to ring at the 12 minute mark, whatever... I don't care about head games... I just roll with it 'cause I ain't forcing anything, at any time, on anybody.. I've dated some paranoid women and it's amusing (and sometimes kinda sad) but hey.. she's gotta do what ever she needs to do. I want my sisters, friends, etc. to have all the security they need. I can't be all up in their heads refuting inaccurate moral scares, or defining what is and ain't a "normal" level of precautions etc. Look: Just do what you have to do to be comfortable. Someone that 's comfortable can relax and connect and enjoy herself. and most drinks in question have alchohol in them so I'm thinking it'll be ok to dip a finger in it.. I mean club glasses ain't usually sterilized in an autoclave to begin with..

 

If that is necessary, all is lost anyways (1)

gweihir (88907) | about a month ago | (#47747945)

Seriously, if a dating-scene is messed up enough for that to be an actual risk, the only sane thing is to leave it and don't look back. Somebody that is likely to put this stuff in your drink can just wait a little longer and force you to get dosed, at knife or gun-point, with much the same effect. And as soon as a few of these scumbags have gotten caught by this nail-polish, the others _will_ wise up.

On the minus-side, this can lead to less caution by the ladies and hence is likely counter-productive.

brilliant, but with a few flaws. (3, Insightful)

nimbius (983462) | about a month ago | (#47747981)

unless you're Penn Jillette, most men do not wear nail polish.
it would also be very important to educate the wearer that they could never, under any circumstances, topcoat as it would render the system useless. Salons would also need training on numerous procedures that, while safe for normal polish, would damage the system.

Disclosure: ive worked in a salon. my suggestion would be to offer a topcoat or clearcoat that can be added to existing colours. This system would also work well in french tips, but again, most men do not wear them.

Oh, so it detects alcohol? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47747993)

A polish that detects GHB and Rohypnol is almost useless. Why? Because they are almost never used to carry out date rapes! Seriously, no major study has ever shown date rapes commonly being accomplished by using these substances. In fact, the vast majority of reported cases of their alleged "use" (i.e. 99+%) turn out to be the result of alcohol overconsumption alone.

Think about it. You have a cheap, powerful drug that causes blackouts, unconsciousness, and lack of inhibitions. And it's socially acceptable, even encouraged, to take it in social situations, despite the fact that gov't studies show that half of all sexual assaults implicate its use. [nih.gov]

Yet your typical will no doubt will no doubt be throwing her money at the company that markets this polish, at least whatever is left over after the eight $10 appletinis she consumed last night.

Re:Oh, so it detects alcohol? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47748049)

*typical coed

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