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Russia Wants To Establish a Permanent Moon Base

samzenpus posted about 6 months ago | from the one-of-these-days-Alisa dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Having established its presence in the Crimean Peninsula, Russia is now shooting for a bit loftier goal, a permanent Moon base. 'As reported by the Voice of Russia, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told the government daily Rossiiskaya Gazeta that establishing a permanent Moon base has become one of the country's top space priorities. "The moon is not an intermediate point in the [space] race, it is a separate, even a self-contained goal," Rogozin reportedly said. "It would hardly be rational to make some ten or twenty flights to the moon, and then wind it all up and fly to the Mars or some asteroids."'"

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Fine.. (5, Funny)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 6 months ago | (#46742757)

...just don't let them put nuclear waste up there. You don't want it to rip itself out of orbit.

Re:Fine.. (3, Funny)

Platinumrat (1166135) | about 6 months ago | (#46742773)

It's ok, we're already 15 years too late for that to happen.

Re:Fine.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46742863)

that is because of the Obama's administration ineptitude.

Re:Fine.. (5, Funny)

khelms (772692) | about 6 months ago | (#46743051)

Yeah, darnit. Except for Obama being elected in 2008, we would have had a base on the moon in 1999!

Re:Fine.. (4, Funny)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 6 months ago | (#46743155)

I'm waiting to blame Obama's successor for the lack of a 1999 moonbase.

Re:Fine.. (4, Funny)

stox (131684) | about 6 months ago | (#46743043)

That's what we said about 1984.

So.. (3, Funny)

Hsien-Ko (1090623) | about 6 months ago | (#46742761)

Battlezone?

Re:So.. (4, Interesting)

homey of my owney (975234) | about 6 months ago | (#46743097)

No. Putin views things in black and white. Just like his pre-perestroika predecessors. He views this exactly as they viewed the race to the moon in the 60's. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game, but as any Russian will tell you - once KGB, always KGB

Re:So.. (0, Flamebait)

LifesABeach (234436) | about 6 months ago | (#46743881)

It would appear that Tea Party Politics are a form of infectious disease, and it's spreading to Russia. Does anyone have the time to tell Capt.PutPut that the USSR, and the Space Race are over?

Shoot for the moon.. (1, Insightful)

fred911 (83970) | about 6 months ago | (#46742771)

The Crimea is significantly less costly.

Re:Shoot for the moon.. (0)

phantomfive (622387) | about 6 months ago | (#46743261)

The Crimea is an income generator.

There isn't enough rubles in Moscow (4, Insightful)

rmdingler (1955220) | about 6 months ago | (#46742783)

Good luck if the contractors are the ones who built roads and infrastructure for the Sochi Olympics.

Re:There isn't enough rubles in Moscow (1)

50000BTU_barbecue (588132) | about 6 months ago | (#46742851)

Yeah no kidding, did you see that athlete that was locked in a bathroom and punched his way out the door? The door was basically cardboard.

Re:There isn't enough rubles in Moscow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46742921)

Hahah there may not be enough rubles in Russia, but there sure are plenty of dummies back in the Good Ol USA.

Essentially ALL doors made nowadays have a cardboard core.

Re:There isn't enough rubles in Moscow (1)

50000BTU_barbecue (588132) | about 6 months ago | (#46742945)

Really? That's fascinating. Does cardboard usually look like sawdust too like the doors in my place? And where did all the money go?

Re:There isn't enough rubles in Moscow (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743105)

> Essentially ALL doors made nowadays have a cardboard core.

All doors that poor people buy, that is. Quality is still out there, and as available as it always was, you just have to be willing to pay for it.

Re:There isn't enough rubles in Moscow (1)

50000BTU_barbecue (588132) | about 6 months ago | (#46743281)

Sochi were the most expensive games in history. I was just amazed at the pitiful quality of the materials.

Re:There isn't enough rubles in Moscow (2)

TeknoHog (164938) | about 6 months ago | (#46743017)

Well, at least they had the extra money to put two seats in one bathroom stall [bbc.com] ...

Re:There isn't enough rubles in Moscow (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743511)

The BBC - Mouthpiece of the British Government since 1922.

Re:There isn't enough rubles in Moscow (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 6 months ago | (#46743385)

Internal doors often are like cardboard. I kicked through a door when I was a weedy ten year old.

better than wasting trillions on pointless wars (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743159)

What did US achieve with all that money and lives. It alienated us in the world stage and achieved nothing of value in the end. Ike was right:

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

Re:better than wasting trillions on pointless wars (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743553)

Since we're on the diversion train of "at least X isn't Y", let's talk about how at least the Iraq war killed fewer people than the Soviet Afghan war.

Oh wait did I suddenly just take this thread off topic?

Re:better than wasting trillions on pointless wars (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743767)

oh god, you really don't understand who incited the afghans.

Re:There isn't enough rubles in Moscow (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743245)

But all those photos and reports of shit infrastructure for the Olympics were homosexual propaganda. There were plenty of reports that they were good facilities. It's literally the same reason GNOME just went under - liberals fuck up everything they touch with their idiotic causes - nothing was wrong otherwise.

Re:There isn't enough rubles in Moscow (1)

poity (465672) | about 6 months ago | (#46743575)

Not to mention Russia does not have, and has never had, a moon capable launch vehicle (inb4 N1 explosion pictures), which means if the US has to pretty much start again from scratch to get people to the moon, the Russians are even further behind.

Re:There isn't enough rubles in Moscow (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743661)

Not to mention Russia does not have, and has never had, a moon capable launch vehicle (inb4 N1 explosion pictures), which means if the US has to pretty much start again from scratch to get people to the moon, the Russians are even further behind.

They weren't far off the capability of the Saturn V with the Energia launch vehicle. They could conceivably re-develop that and potentially build the proposed heavier versions (Uragan and Vulkan). They probably won't, but it has been mooted before and the existing technology could save them development time.

The Moon is a Harsh Mistress comes to reality... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46742793)

Wonder is the US or other countries will realize how strategic a moon base would be. Guess not, until the rocks start hurling down...

Re:The Moon is a Harsh Mistress comes to reality.. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46742905)

Oh get off your paranoid, childish sci-fi melodrama. Never mind the fact that a Moon base with enough resources to pull that off will never exist, it doesn't even make sense in the first place. You're just channeling your inner monkey fantasizing about the biggest tree house you can think of... to throw rocks on other monkeys.

Grow up.

Re:The Moon is a Harsh Mistress comes to reality.. (-1)

Pseudonym Authority (1591027) | about 6 months ago | (#46742939)

You are an idiot.

Re:The Moon is a Harsh Mistress comes to reality.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743013)

Which part are you disagreeing with and why?

Re:The Moon is a Harsh Mistress comes to reality.. (2)

NEDHead (1651195) | about 6 months ago | (#46743117)

I can't be sure what the previous poster was disagreeable about, but every one knows monkeys throw poo, not rocks

Re:The Moon is a Harsh Mistress comes to reality.. (3, Funny)

MouseTheLuckyDog (2752443) | about 6 months ago | (#46743207)

Unless they were eating rocks.

Re:The Moon is a Harsh Mistress comes to reality.. (-1, Flamebait)

Pseudonym Authority (1591027) | about 6 months ago | (#46743227)

Because you are the guy always going on about the `space nutters', and I didn't get to insult you last time you posted, so I figured now would be a good time.

Re:The Moon is a Harsh Mistress comes to reality.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743391)

Ah, so you're a Space Nutter that holds a grudge? Good, to prove me wrong all you need to do is : do it. Go ahead. Build these dreams you've accepted uncritically. You're asleep. You just get off your anti-psychotics to mod me down, but then people more anchored in reality mod me "insightful", it must hurt, eh?

Re:The Moon is a Harsh Mistress comes to reality.. (-1, Flamebait)

Pseudonym Authority (1591027) | about 6 months ago | (#46743547)

LOL, kill yourself.

Re:The Moon is a Harsh Mistress comes to reality.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743729)

What, and miss the fun of watching you nutcases wake up, one by one, to the harsh reality of engineering limits? Nah, I'll stick around to watch each one of you lunatics admit that no one is going anywhere, ever.

First infiltrate with masked astronauts (5, Funny)

Steve1952 (651150) | about 6 months ago | (#46742803)

Is plan: 1: First infiltrate with masked astronauts without insignia. 2: Build government offices, and seize them. 3: Have popular vote 4: Profit!

Re:First infiltrate with masked astronauts (1)

Mogster (459037) | about 6 months ago | (#46743493)

You missed a step...
3: Have popular vote
4: ?????
5: Profit

There ya go ;-)

H3 Baby! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46742809)

But lets belittle their effort and then panic. You know like we did with the first space race?

Russia (4, Insightful)

Kyusaku Natsume (1098) | about 6 months ago | (#46742813)

We can say anything about their government, but we can't say that they are not really ambitious.

Let'em! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46742821)

And let Russians and Ukrainians eat cake.

Slashdot wants to establish Beta (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46742825)

Dice wants to mine your data. You are the product.

Talk is cheap (4, Informative)

Brett Buck (811747) | about 6 months ago | (#46742841)

Every few years, one of the Russian aerospace companies presents a new "plan" to go to Mars, colonize the moon, teleport to the Sun (at night, of course), etc. All they need is a few billion or so to get it going. It's slightly more credible that that letter you got from the Nigerian prince.

        I expect that given many tens of billions of dollars, and a few decades, the Russians could manage to do most of these proposals, but there is no intent to actually do any of them aside from a neat-looking study.

Re:Talk is cheap (2, Insightful)

stoploss (2842505) | about 6 months ago | (#46742913)

I expect that given many tens of billions of dollars, and a few decades, the Russians could manage to do most of these proposals, but there is no intent to actually do any of them aside from a neat-looking study.

Okay, let's say you're correct and that the Russian space program is a sham with overly inflated goals. Where does that leave the US space program, given that we have no way to even get to LEO without begging for a ride from the Russians?

I have given up on NASA and their "designed by committee, for maximum pork" launch systems that cost $1+ billion per launch. Maybe SpaceX will make something man-rated soon and then our country's space program won't be such a joke anymore.

tl;dr: I'd rather we had the Russian program than NASA because at least the Russians can get people into space. We're back to where we were in the 1950's...

Re:Talk is cheap (0)

Scud (3015185) | about 6 months ago | (#46742969)

Current Russian space program is just a tool to steal budget money.

Re:Talk is cheap (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | about 6 months ago | (#46743621)

While true, that statement isn't particularly useful since it's also true of pretty much every government program everywhere.

Re:Talk is cheap (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743867)

And every private enterprise.

Re:Talk is cheap (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743071)

Where does that leave the US space program

In the care of Obama and funded by a decrepit has-been nation of subjects voting themselves more bennies while printing away their debts.

If our species manages to establish anything permanent on the moon or elsewhere, it will be the Chinese or Indians or some such. The US and Sov^HRussia are both in permanent decline.

Re:Talk is cheap (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743127)

"Okay, let's say you're correct and that the Russian space program is a sham with overly inflated goals. Where does that leave the US space program, given that we have no way to even get to LEO without begging for a ride from the Russians?"

Uhhh... When did you ever get the idea the USA couldn't go into LEO? The USA sends craft into LEO dozens of times per year.... Not sure how this gibberish gets modded +5 insightful on slashdot these days...

Re:Talk is cheap (4, Informative)

MouseTheLuckyDog (2752443) | about 6 months ago | (#46743221)

Craft but not people.

Re:Talk is cheap (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743561)

If only the plans for the Saturn V were in the public domain!

Re:Talk is cheap (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 6 months ago | (#46743271)

Okay, let's say you're correct and that the Russian space program is a sham with overly inflated goals.

I don't think he said that, I think he said one particular part of the Russian space program is like that.

Which is a lot like the US space program.

Re:Talk is cheap (4, Insightful)

thoth (7907) | about 6 months ago | (#46743363)

All these problems you attribute to NASA are actually congressional problems. NASA budgets are are the chopping block every year. The only way they get stuff passed is by distributing the work to every Congress member's districts. That's fucked up as you would expect, but we're a country that doesn't give a shit about funding science, paying scientists very well, or even listening to scientists. In fact there's a whole industry around discrediting climate scientists, since that threatens corporate profits, and a huge number of adults Americans don't believe in evolution. Entertainment and sports are the heroes and finance is where the big bucks are.

Re:Talk is cheap (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 6 months ago | (#46743403)

All these problems you attribute to NASA are actually congressional problems

That's been obvious since Feynman threw a spanner in the works of a whitewash that tried to hide that, yet those problems have worsened. So far the current low point was some twenty something catamite of a powerful Republican being rewarded for his services by getting put in charge of a major part of NASA and forbidding any publications about climate change.

Re:Talk is cheap (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743417)

tl;dr: I'd rather we had the Russian program than NASA because at least the Russians can get people into space. We're back to where we were in the 1950's...

What Russian program?

Re:Talk is cheap (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46742929)

Yup. This is just to keep up the patriotic momentum. Gives the Russkies that warm and fuzzy feeling that Putin knows what he's doing...

It's also far enough in the future that nobody is going to question this.

Perfect piece of propaganda.

Re:Talk is cheap (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743145)

You're mistaken. The Japanese are the ones that do that. I've lost count of how many times I read about some Japanese company building a hotel on the moon.

Re:Talk is cheap (1)

ModernGeek (601932) | about 6 months ago | (#46743439)

The companies with these proposals need to send some of their men to the United States so that they may learn how to lobby a government.

Re:Talk is cheap (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743667)

mod up
that this patently silly idea is being taken seriously gives us, what we didn't need, that most slashdotters are pre teen boys, aching for a real raygun.

so there are oppressed Russian citizens (1)

umghhh (965931) | about 6 months ago | (#46742865)

on the moon?

Re:so there are oppressed Russian citizens (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 6 months ago | (#46742999)

on the moon?

Actually, Putin has been watching western propaganda films, and has other intentions there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N... [wikipedia.org]

Re:so there are oppressed Russian citizens (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743523)

That's so funny! Now go back to your CNN or BBC propaganda.

Coca-Cola rejoices! (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 6 months ago | (#46742877)

They'll finally get a suitable billboard! It's been forty years overdue already.

The guy is demented... (1)

Scud (3015185) | about 6 months ago | (#46742893)

Just a few hours ago he said that by 2020 Russian army will be one of the most hi-tech and powerful armies in the world. Yeah. Not as crazy as colonization of the Moon, Mars and asteroids, but out of touch with reality nevertheless.

Re:The guy is demented... (4, Insightful)

rmdingler (1955220) | about 6 months ago | (#46743169)

Bold, public, optimistic predictions are an historically cheaper way to fund nationalistic fervor than actual deeds and accomplishments.

Re:The guy is demented... (2)

dbIII (701233) | about 6 months ago | (#46743409)

Just a few hours ago he said that by 2020 Russian army will be one of the most hi-tech and powerful armies in the world

If the US economy crashes again all he has to do is wait and that will come true.

USA has Hollywood. Can have bases anywhere (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46742903)

Is Russia for real? They can't be American fakes "made by Hollywood" Why setup real, permanent base. Did people already forgot Apollo disaster? Hollywood will keep feeding poor chaps with imaginary moon landings.

Why have real things, when Hollywood will deliver fakes, pennies on the dollar.

Looks like they're taking the high ground (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46742919)

Sounds like Putin read Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" and decided that strategically positioning himself in the Gravity Well would provide significant economic advantages in negotiating Natural Gas prices. Remember the lesson of Saddam Hussein: it's not the types of WMD that determine the price(or currency) or a barrel of oil: it's the delivery vehicle or weapons platform that decides bargaining advantage.

This is Russia's "Pencil" to counter DARPA's "Pen":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prompt_Global_Strike
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-72
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_Falcon_Project

While we're rolling in the mud with the typical MBA mindset of "Return On Risk-Adjusted Capital"(RORAC), Russia & China are willing to take bigger risks to upset the balance of power. It's called "Short Stack Strategy" in Poker.

Re:Looks like they're taking the high ground (2)

AK Marc (707885) | about 6 months ago | (#46743103)

The navy's new railgun should be able to fire out of the moon's gravity well. Could hit the Earth, or Mars from there. It would be interesting to test acuracy of a 390,000 km shot.

Room for enough of them? (1)

dogandpants (3398905) | about 6 months ago | (#46742949)

.. I think so.

Nothing new here (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46742955)

I'm all for the U.S. going back to the moon, on to Mars, etc and having the Russians or the Chinese breathing down our necks would possibly be the kick our government needs to get serious....... buuuuuuut...... this just aint it.

The Russian govt and/or Russian rocket people routinely claim they are building new manned space vehicles (anybody remember any of the many Klipper mockups and illustrations?), new launch vehicles, planning moon bases, planning Mars expeditions, etc. They have some very good and competent people, good experience, the aerospace manufacturing capability, and a proven track record, BUT the thing they never get is MONEY and an actual commitment from their nation's leaders. I'm somewhat surprised that they've actually been allowed to build their new launch complex in eastern Russia but that, plus their new model of Soyuz launcher, are probably consuming a large portion of their funds for new manned space activities

Annex? (4, Informative)

mbone (558574) | about 6 months ago | (#46742961)

Russia has no plans to annex the Moon. The 1967 Outer Space Treaty makes this legally impossible, and common sense shows that it could never (or, at least, not for a good long while) be enforced.

Re:Annex? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743069)

Tell that to the Crimean

Re:Annex? (4, Interesting)

Deadstick (535032) | about 6 months ago | (#46743085)

I'd put a lot more reliance in the difficulty and expense of the enterprise than I'd put in the Russians honoring treaties...

Re:Annex? (5, Informative)

Kierthos (225954) | about 6 months ago | (#46743321)

Yeah... you know, back when Ukraine broke off from Russia, they made a deal with Russia over Ukraine's nukes. Basically, when Ukraine declared independence, they had what amounted to the third largest nuclear stockpile in the world.

In exchange for turning over all their nukes to Russia, Russia agreed not to interfere with Ukraine's territorial integrity. (Translation: If you voluntarily turn over your nukes, we won't mess with your new country.)

Fast forward from then (1994) to now, and oh look, Russia ignored that treaty in seizing the Crimea region. So color me particular unwilling to believe that if Russia gets a moon base that they won't try and ignore that treaty if it suits them.

Re:Annex? (1)

MildlyTangy (3408549) | about 6 months ago | (#46743437)

Since when has "being illegal" stopped Russia from doing what it wants?

Re:Annex? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743563)

Since when has "being illegal" stopped Russia from doing what it wants?

Since when has "being illegal" stopped the USA (or any other country) from doing what it wants?

Re:Annex? (1)

gman003 (1693318) | about 6 months ago | (#46743579)

Russia also signed a treaty pledging to respect Ukraine's sovereignty and existing borders. We've seen how well that turned out.

Re:Annex? (4, Interesting)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about 6 months ago | (#46743605)

The 1967 Outer Space Treaty makes this legally impossible, and common sense shows that it could never (or, at least, not for a good long while) be enforced.

If they put a base there, and noone else can even go there, then they pretty much de facto own the moon.

It's not, after all, like anyone can do anything to stop them from doing whatever they like up there - noone else can even get to LEO reliably***.

***: the Chinese can get up there (once every couple years or so). And SpaceX Dragon is going to be undergoing man-rating tests later this year (proving that the escape mechanism works, among other things) and next year so that it can be man-rated. Once that happens, NASA won't be dependent on the Russians, they'll be dependent on SpaceX....

Re:Annex? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743899)

The 1967 Outer Space Treaty makes this legally impossible

You seem to think that international law is something more than just a mutually beneficial agreement. That's cute.

There are no Earthlings (2)

RevWaldo (1186281) | about 6 months ago | (#46742965)

Just temporarily embarrassed space explorers.

.

Common distraction? (1)

spiritplumber (1944222) | about 6 months ago | (#46743049)

Didn't Newt Gingrich also want to estabilish a moon base? It sounds cool, and we should do it, but it's fast becoming the thing to say when you want to sound lofty and forward-thinking but put no real effort behind it.

Re:Common distraction? (1)

MouseTheLuckyDog (2752443) | about 6 months ago | (#46743299)

The question is what would they do for air? Remember producing enough breathabler air was a flop for Biosphere2.

Angara (1, Insightful)

benjfowler (239527) | about 6 months ago | (#46743113)

They can't even launch Proton reliably, and it's taken them 20 years of R&D to get Angara to the point where they can (nearly) launch it.

As it is, the Russian space programme has gone from world-beater, to being a bad parody of Kerbal Space Program.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

Talk is cheap. I'll believe they can build a Moon base, when I see it.

Anga and rah rah rah flag waving? (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 6 months ago | (#46743445)

Von Braun's body is a mouldering in the ground so you aint got the moon no more.
The USA had their chance and is not showing any sign of taking another one. There's no point being a sore loser when the game has been given up on. The Russians are at least still trying even though they've had more economic problems to slow them down than the US had when Nixon sidetracked NASA into being a pork factory that could only get anywhere via skunkworks hiding between the slabs of pork.

Instead of bitching about others why not get off your arse, make some noise and make NASA funding an issue worth votes?

Sensationalism (4, Funny)

quantaman (517394) | about 6 months ago | (#46743143)

Russia doesn't want to establish a moon base, but they're obligated to step up and protect all the Russian speakers on the moon. Moreover the moon is historically Russian, not only did a recent referendum establish that 98.3% of the moon wants to join Russia, but the moon is so close that on a clear night you can actually see it from Moscow!!

Step One (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743151)

Turn eastern Ukraine into a moonscape

Russia wants a lot of things. (4, Insightful)

goodmanj (234846) | about 6 months ago | (#46743165)

Russia's manned space program basically consists of announcing plans to do amazing things, which come to nothing as they keeping on doing the same stuff they were doing in the 1980s. As opposed to the U.S. manned space program, which consists of making plans to get back to the stuff they were doing in the 1980s, which come to nothing.

(Unmanned is another story.)

Re:Russia wants a lot of things. (2)

dbIII (701233) | about 6 months ago | (#46743479)

Russia's manned space program basically consists of announcing plans to do amazing things

Like Bush's Mars announcement followed by cuts?
OK then, almost nobody took that seriously but that idiocy did happen. Maybe it's the same story in Russia with this, an empty statement setting a goal for somebody else to do the hard work if it ever happens.

Re:Russia wants a lot of things. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743701)

Russia's manned space program basically consists of announcing plans to do amazing things, which come to nothing as they keeping on doing the same stuff they were doing in the 1980s. As opposed to the U.S. manned space program, which consists of making plans to get back to the stuff they were doing in the 1980s, which come to nothing.

(Unmanned is another story.)

So, it is pretty much like the US space program, which has done essentially *nothing* in the last twenty years other than start to develop launch systems, burn a ton of cash on paper studies, and then cancel said launch systems. Other than the odd probe, the US has done nothing of note in the space area other than talk. Not much different than Russia.

Better be a co-ed base (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743173)

'Nuff said.

Anyone know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743195)

Has the Sci fi story been written wherein the great nations of earth inevetibaly go to war to unceremoniously control the moon?

Isn't the point of going to the moon... (1)

acoustix (123925) | about 6 months ago | (#46743343)

...to eventually launch a vehicle from the moon to get to Mars? With less gravity on the Moon it would take less fuel to launch and escape gravity, right?

Re:Isn't the point of going to the moon... (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 6 months ago | (#46743517)

That's one point. Another is we know buggerall about the moon and have only sent one geologist for a few days.

that's funny (1)

superwiz (655733) | about 6 months ago | (#46743469)

I saw a post last week by someone saying they wouldn't think that Putin was going overboard until Putin decided to invade the moon. Obviously the guy was trolling for Russia... little did he know.

Kill ISS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46743599)

If Russia pulls out of ISS then ISS is FUCKED.

And that card is now about to be laid on the table in front of Obama and with NASA looking over Obama shoulder.

By By Birdie

Ha ha ! FU

Just tell them.... (1)

Rick Zeman (15628) | about 6 months ago | (#46743637)

...that Ukraine is there already!

Note the 'Wants to ..." (1)

Kittenman (971447) | about 6 months ago | (#46743719)

Also in the news, "Kittenman wants to win the lottery".

"Wants to ..." and "had definite plans on how to ..." are worlds apart.

Propaganda much? (1)

Arker (91948) | about 6 months ago | (#46743783)

""Having established its presence in the Crimean Peninsula"

Like this was recent.

Crimea has been Russian since 1783.

For my fellow Murricans, that was 7 years after our Declaration of Independence, 4 years before our Constitutional Convention, and 17 years before we moved the Federal Capital from Philadelphia to Washington.

Just so you know.

Stupid is as stupid does.... (1)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | about 6 months ago | (#46743795)

Going to the moon is expensive AND pointless. You have to do everything you do in Earth orbit, but it has to happen farther away from safety and at the bottom of a gravity well. There's absolutely nothing of value on the moon that couldn't be gotten cheaper by snagging bits off of a water bearing comet, or bringing that same water or up from Earth, for that matter, or mining a few local asteroids in-situ.

Look, gravity is *bad* and expensive. You don't go looking for it. You simulate it a bit with centrifugal force when necessary, but that's all.

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