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New Type of Star Can Emerge From Inside Black Holes, Say Cosmologists

Soulskill posted about 2 months ago | from the cross-black-holes-off-your-list-of-good-hiding-places dept.

Space 193

KentuckyFC writes "Black holes form when a large star runs out of fuel and collapses under its own weight. Since there is no known force that can stop this collapse, astrophysicists have always assumed that it forms a singularity, a region of space that is infinitely dense. Now cosmologists think quantum gravity might prevent this complete collapse after all. They say that the same force that stops an electron spiraling into a nucleus might also cause the collapsing star to 'bounce' at scales of around 10^-14cm. They're calling this new state a 'Planck star' and say its lifetime would match that of the black hole itself as it evaporates. That raises the possibility that the shrinking event horizon would eventually meet the expanding Planck star, which emerges with a sudden blast of gamma rays. That radiation would allow any information trapped in the black hole to escape, solving the infamous information paradox. If they're right, these gamma rays may already have been detected by space-based telescopes meaning that the evidence is already there for any enterprising astronomer to tease apart."

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BETA SUCK (-1, Offtopic)

cfulton (543949) | about 2 months ago | (#46176591)

First post

Re:BETA SUCK (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176725)

Fuck Beta.

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fisted (2295862) | about 2 months ago | (#46176905)

that was a nice story. did they died?

De finibus (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 months ago | (#46177455)

Yes, M.T. Cicero is dead. And if Slashdot keeps pushing this beta despite complaints that the beta is pain for its own sake (dolorem ipsum dolor), Slashdot will itself go as dark as a black hole.

I'm wondering... (-1, Offtopic)

lvxferre (2470098) | about 2 months ago | (#46176603)

...if a star can emerge from Slashdot Beta. That shit is a black hole of user interface hell.

Re:I'm wondering... (-1, Flamebait)

dmomo (256005) | about 2 months ago | (#46176689)

You'll pry classic from my cold dead hands. I am keeping their message at the top of the home page as a reminder of its impending demise. I'm happy to burn my karma spewing off-topic posts in protest. Meanwhile, please bring this fight over to reddit where the Slashdot moderators have no influence:

http://www.reddit.com/r/social... [reddit.com]

Re:I'm wondering... (1)

lvxferre (2470098) | about 2 months ago | (#46176769)

Meanwhile, please bring this fight over to reddit where the Slashdot moderators have no influence:

I'm calling some /g/entlemen instead.

Re:I'm wondering... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176929)


But a new type of Slashdot Beta can emerge from inside a dead Dice.

Re:I'm wondering... (4, Funny)

dysmal (3361085) | about 2 months ago | (#46176983)

...if a star can emerge from Slashdot Beta. That shit is a black hole of user interface hell.

There is no gravity. BETA just sucks that hard!

Re:I'm wondering... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46177541)

LOL. BLACK HOLES ARE NOW MAKE BELIEVE. Just like Slashdot Beta's positive user ratings.

Beta Sucks! (-1, Flamebait)

d34thm0nk3y (653414) | about 2 months ago | (#46176607)

Please post this to new articles if it hasn't been posted yet. On February 5, 2014, Slashdot announced through a javascript popup that they are starting to "move in to" the new Slashdot Beta design. Slashdot Beta is a trend-following attempt to give Slashdot a fresh look, an approach that has led to less space for text and an abandonment of the traditional Slashdot look. Much worse than that, Slashdot Beta fundamentally breaks the classic Slashdot discussion and moderation system. If you haven't seen Slashdot Beta already, open this [slashdot.org] in a new tab. After seeing that, click here [slashdot.org] to return to classic Slashdot. We should boycott stories and only discuss the abomination that is Slashdot Beta until Dice abandons the project. We should boycott slashdot entirely during the week of Feb 10 to Feb 17 as part of the wider slashcott [slashdot.org] Moderators - only spend mod points on comments that discuss Beta Commentors - only discuss Beta http://slashdot.org/recent [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org] - Vote up the Fuck Beta stories Keep this up for a few days and we may finally get the PHBs attention. Discussion of Beta: http://slashdot.org/firehose.p [slashdot.org]... [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org] Discussion of where to go if Beta goes live: http://slashdot.org/firehose.p [slashdot.org]... [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org] Alternative Slashdot: altslashdot.org [altslashdot.org] (thanks Okian Warrior (537106))

Re:Beta Sucks! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176791)

Have they been talking to the Windows 8 guys????
Can everyone fuck up every UI???

Re:Beta Sucks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46177059)

yes they can....
who's the project leader/manager of slashdot beta? it sucks so bad.

Re:Beta Sucks! (5, Interesting)

Ben4jammin (1233084) | about 2 months ago | (#46176841)

I usually try to stay on-topic, but this is a deserved exception.

I logged in, perused some of my old comments just for nostalgia and will be logging out for at least the remainder of the proposed boycott period.

I just wanted to say that it has been awesome being part of the Slashdot community. You guys are awesome. I have lost track of how much I have learned about different topics that I never would have learned were it not for participating in Slashdot discussions.

I hope to see you on the other side...with Beta existing only as a memory of an epic fail.

Re: Beta Sucks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176917)

A pleasure knowing you. Fare well and fuck beta.

Re:Beta Sucks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176969)

re: altslashdot - "As far as selling the website, it's crossed my mind. I don't want to "sell out" and destroy the community, but it would be nice to have an "exit strategy". Commenting on Slashdot fun, but doing it as a day job will probably get tedious.."

- blokes complaining about "tedium" and working on an "exit strategy" already?!

Meet the old Boss, same as the new Boss, yask me. Either that, or the Guys a (however well-intentioned) Banger, sorry.

Re:Beta Sucks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176973)


Re:Beta Sucks! (-1, Flamebait)

moschner (3003611) | about 2 months ago | (#46176989)

I find the article interesting. But my interest in the article is eclipsed by my disdain for Beta.

The comments are harder to follow
The overall layout is not only ugly, but lacks the feel of /.
Pictures that are unneeded hog too much of the screen (though you can change on the front page, but are still forced to view the pics if you want to read comments or expand a story)
The default font size is too large
They didn't even use the same green as classic /.
there are more issues, but I don't want to go on...

Please go to: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/... [surveymonkey.com] which apparently was set up by slashdot to gather feedback on beta.
Let your voice be heard there too

Re:Beta Sucks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46177241)

For the "What would you like to change...?" question.
I said "Highlight the file. Shift + Del. Okay? Yeah."

Its own weight? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176617)

Black holes form when a large star runs out of fuel and collapses under its own weight

Isn't actually it's own gravity? The weight would increase with the gravity, doesn't it?

Re:Its own weight? (4, Interesting)

suutar (1860506) | about 2 months ago | (#46176881)

Sort of yes. "...under the force of its own gravitational attraction" would be more precise, I think. Gravity is a force, and weight is the measure of the gravitational force on a particular item. But it's common to think of weight as the force of gravitational attraction itself, and it's shorter to type.

And yes, as it collapses and the distance from particle A to the center of mass of the rest of the star decreases, the force of gravitational attraction (weight) increases.

Re:Its own weight? (3, Interesting)

camperdave (969942) | about 2 months ago | (#46177371)

I don't get black hole evaporation. Suppose a proton/anti-proton pair gets created at the event horizon and the proton falls in. Hasn't the mass of the black hole increased by one proton? If the anti-proton falls in, it will meet another proton and annihilate it (assuming conditions within the black hole still allow this), but with no way for the energy to escape, isn't it the same as increasing by the mass of the anti-proton (which is the same as a proton)?

I propose we try the experiment with whomever is supporting this switch to Beta.

There's always a wrinkled star there.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176623)

It's called the Slashdot beta

First (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176629)

post! yeah bitches!

Car analogy time (-1, Flamebait)

Bob the Super Hamste (1152367) | about 2 months ago | (#46176637)

Car analogy time: I have gotten rid of vehicles that sucked less than the Slashdot beta. Seriously even that '85 Bronco II where everything was rusty, none of the body panels matched, and that had bad compression on the #5 cylinder sucked less than beta.slashdot.org.

Re:Car analogy time (2)

OzPeter (195038) | about 2 months ago | (#46176739)

Car analogy time:
I have gotten rid of vehicles that sucked less than the Slashdot beta. Seriously even that '85 Bronco II where everything was rusty, none of the body panels matched, and that had bad compression on the #5 cylinder sucked less than beta.slashdot.org.

Bronco's never run well

Re:Car analogy time (1, Funny)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 months ago | (#46176851)

Car analogy time:
I have gotten rid of vehicles that sucked less than the Slashdot beta. Seriously even that '85 Bronco II where everything was rusty, none of the body panels matched, and that had bad compression on the #5 cylinder sucked less than beta.slashdot.org.

Bronco's never run well

Not since 1994, anyway. [wikipedia.org]

Remember - if the glove doesn't fit, Slashdot Beta still sucks.

Re:Car analogy time (1)

Bob the Super Hamste (1152367) | about 2 months ago | (#46176855)

They can but it requires making what one of my buddies called the "weak mighty bronco". Take a Bronco II and stuff in a Ford 460 with an appropriate manual transmission and some better axles and they they are great.

Re:Car analogy time (1)

camperdave (969942) | about 2 months ago | (#46177401)

Bronco's never run well

Well, not compared to Seahawks, apparently. Kind of like how Classic runs rings around Beta.

In before the Fuck Beta Burst (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176657)

So decaying black holes might be another source of gamma ray bursts? Interesting hypothesis. I suppose this would permit a big old star to bounce between being a black hole and a neutron star, depending on the rate of incoming material.

So, do I have to point out the obvious that the /. beta is horribly user-hostile to keep this from getting modded -1 insightful?

Re:In before the Fuck Beta Burst (3, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about 2 months ago | (#46177193)

Yes, you do. Beta is terrible and ignoring it clearly isn't making it go away.,

Re:In before the Fuck Beta Burst (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46177279)

So, do I have to point out the obvious that the /. beta is horribly user-hostile to keep this from getting modded -1 insightful?

Yes. I've been spending points only on upmodding BETA SUCKS, but it looks like other mods have been negatively modding non BETA SUCKS comments.


The Beta will only produce a black hole... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176673)

I'm not even logged in, and I'm posting an anti-beta comment! Long live Alpha!

Beta-ized Summary (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176685)

"Slashdot Betas form when a large company runs out of ideas and collapse under its own weight. Since there is no known force that can stop this collapse, netizens have always assumed that it forms a singularity, a website that is infinitely filled with whitespace."

captcha: buckfeta

Re:Beta-ized Summary (1)

Sez Zero (586611) | about 2 months ago | (#46176783)

"That raises the possibility that the shrinking readership would eventually meet the expanding Beta suckitude, which emerges with a sudden blast of "fuck beta" comments. That black would allow any insightful commentary trapped in the black hole to escape, solving the infamous -1 Insightful paradox."

FUCK BETA (-1, Flamebait)

vivek7006 (585218) | about 2 months ago | (#46176695)

FUCK BETA. I want my classic back. And one more thing, FUCK BETA!


Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176753)

So click on the Slashdot Classic link and shut the fuck up you whiney cunt.


Bearhouse (1034238) | about 2 months ago | (#46177087)

And when they take that away, as they surely will, what will those who detest "beta" do?
Fuck beta, and fuck stupid, cowardly cunts like you.

In memory of the old slashdot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176701)

Here you can find [goatse.cx] more information on the topic.

Re:In memory of the old slashdot (2)

Teun (17872) | about 2 months ago | (#46177289)

I'm afraid you're double on topic, both for the article and the beta way of presenting it...

I've got the two versions in adjacent tabs and they don't even have the same comments!
As if two separate databases are being used.

The only thing that will emerge... (-1, Flamebait)

TigerPlish (174064) | about 2 months ago | (#46176719)

...from the black hole known as Beta is a festering pustule of mediocrity -- the ashes of what probably once was the most interesting site on the 'net.

Put another way, Beta sucks so hard it bends light.

Al Carajo con Beta!

Re:The only thing that will emerge... (1)

TigerPlish (174064) | about 2 months ago | (#46176775)

Y te digo algo mas...

Beta is as useless as Slashot Mobile. I quit using that to read, even tho I enjoyed reading slash on the go. But not anymore.

And soon, I guess I won't be here at all. because fuck beta.

Nothing of value will be lost. Users will probably create a fork / clone / workalike, and Dice will have a nice shiny site with diddly squat for content. At best, it'll be like CNN's coments.

Slashdot, it was swank knowin' ya. Don't look now, but I think that stink behind you is the Grim Reaper come to collect you.

Re:The only thing that will emerge... (1)

Teun (17872) | about 2 months ago | (#46177305)

At least with the mobile version you can easily switch to the regular one, well at least we still can.

Information paradox? (2, Interesting)

gstoddart (321705) | about 2 months ago | (#46176741)

OK, so I understand (vaguely) that this essentially means stuff goes in but doesn't come out.

But if this Planck star bursts forth from a black hole, is any 'information' in a meaningful sense coming back out? Or is the collection of random bits which we defined as 'information' coming back out just a bunch of meaningless noise?

It sounds more like "stuff comes back out, but will have been so mangled by the process that it isn't, strictly speaking, what we'd call 'information'".

I've never been really clear on what is meant by "information" in this context -- it's not like you can figure out that the burst of gamma radiation corresponds to anything specific, it's just a burst of gamma radiation (and whatever else comes out).

Re:Information paradox? (0, Offtopic)

NoImNotNineVolt (832851) | about 2 months ago | (#46176787)


Mod parent off-topic. Fuck beta.

Filter is complaining about me yelling, but really, how can you not yell when confronted with a site redesign this shitty.


Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176819)

What's this cosmological physics noise when we are trying to have a discussion about FUCK BETA?

Re:Information paradox? (3, Interesting)

DeadDecoy (877617) | about 2 months ago | (#46176935)

I think information is used in it's most abstract sense. Any particle or wave signals that that approach the black hole get consumed. I.e. when we look at it, we see nothing because light is absorbed. I'm probably wrong, though, and someone who studies the topic might be more apt at providing an explanation. Personally, I wonder what this means in terms of the second law of thermodynamics. When a black hole consumes energy and releases a Planck star, do either events reduce the entropy of the system?

Re:Information paradox? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46177275)

Extremely chaotic, but not random information.

Re: Information paradox? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46177329)

The "information" you'd receive from the expulsion would be particles/photons at high enough energy to escape (that's the gamma ray).

They wouldn't be associated with each other in any way they were on the way in. You just now know they came out and have therefore retrieved that information.

Black hole (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176765)

My first comment ever. Reading since 1997. Looks like boycott is already happening.

Can information leak/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176793)

From a Slashdot Beta?

Never thought I would see the day...but the reality is not surprising.

I feel the disturbance in the force.
As low number UID slashdoters feel their power crumble away into said black hole.

What the TFS means: (5, Insightful)

TigerPlish (174064) | about 2 months ago | (#46176825)

What TFS really means is that out of the suck generated by Beta, a new site will emerge, free from corporate cocksuckery.

Beta: Only slightly better than Facetwat.

Slashdot Beta!! is like sex.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176849)

Now that I have your attention, plank stars are explained by one word.. Entropy! That is all!

Hmm, I actually kind of like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176867)


This one time (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176871)

This one time in band camp.....FUCK BETA!

Shazbot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176885)

We ran into some trouble getting the comments. Try again... na-nu, na-nu!

Beta solved the information paradox (5, Insightful)

cheese_boy (118027) | about 2 months ago | (#46176887)

Slashdot's Beta has proved that it is possible for information to be sucked in and never get out.

WTF is up with article titles that only the first 3 words are visible because of the huge font used?

Slashdot beta - the artificial blackhole created by Dice that Slashdot will be sucked into

Re:Beta solved the information paradox (1)

Teun (17872) | about 2 months ago | (#46177415)

Weird, I've now seen quite a few comments about a huge font but on this computer (Kubuntu with Firefox) I don't see much difference between the old and new re. fonts, maybe it's Windows/IE thing?

As a matter of fact, I see about the same amount of information per page even though it seems the beta pages are rather empty.

The rest of the beta is a different discussion, the lack of a proper time stamp, the missing links to previous posts etc.

cm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176901)

I'm glad they used centimeters, otherwise I would not have understood how small it is...

Re:cm (1)

master5o1 (1068594) | about 2 months ago | (#46177487)

Because they can't go under the 10^-14 threshold. If they stated 10^-16m then it would have caused a whole bunch of problems.

10^-14cm (1)

CurryCamel (2265886) | about 2 months ago | (#46176933)

I really like Slashot Beta. Not only does it look & feel nicer, but all stupid units of measure are automatically converted to SI units.

That's 100 am.

Gamma Ray Bursts, eh? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176943)

"the shrinking event horizon would eventually meet the expanding Planck star, which emerges with a sudden blast of gamma rays"

So, this could be the source of Gamma Ray Bursts?


1995 called, they want their bad UI back... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176961)

And I'm someone who has a high tolerance for sucky websites.

Re:1995 called, they want their bad UI back... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46177023)

1995 websites weren't looking yet to whore every penny out of its users and fuck over the last 15 years of community. I'd take 1995 over Fagdot Beta anyday


Blackholes explain where all the users went (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46176975)

After Slashdot's Beta.

Fuck Beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46177001)

Seriously, fuck beta!

Cosmologists and Dice (2)

sexconker (1179573) | about 2 months ago | (#46177003)

Neither know shit, they just throw shit at the wall and hope something sticks when someone finally gets around to testing.
For Dice, that testing will come when they force me to use the shitty new beta version of the site. Spoiler: I won't stick around.

Fuck beta. Fuck Dice.

Beta problem is a financial one (5, Informative)

mu51c10rd (187182) | about 2 months ago | (#46177019)

Dice released their 4th quarter filing...and it does not cast Slashdot in a good light:

Slashdot Media was acquired to provide content and services that are important to technology professionals in their everyday work lives and to leverage that reach into the global technology community benefiting user engagement on the Dice.com site. The expected benefits have started to be realized at Dice.com. However, advertising revenue has declined over the past year and there is no improvement expected in the future financial performance of Slashdot Media's underlying advertising business. Therefore, $7.2 million of intangible assets and $6.3 million of goodwill related to Slashdot Media were reduced to zero.

Looks like running AdBlock on Slashdot and turning off ads may soon be the cause of their demise...

Re:Beta problem is a financial one (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46177101)

So, they are killing it softly with slashdot beta...

Re:Beta problem is a financial one (1)

Teun (17872) | about 2 months ago | (#46177531)

I haven't seen the quoted article but can very much believe the story.

Slashdot patrons are a very discerning kind of consumer, they're not going to put up with advertisers flogging bullshit.
This obviously makes it hard for the typical Ad-agency boy to figure out what will pay the bills.

Over many years of internet use I've acquired a blind eye for advertisements and am perfectly capable of ignoring them without the use of adblocks, the exception is Flash, it's generally uncalled for and usually in bad taste but there's no need to block it, the client is a plug-in malware magnet and I've chosen to not install it.

Because I greatly appreciate the services rendered by Slashdot I've always declined the kind offer to switch off advertising.

Re:Beta problem is a financial one (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46177549)

This whole topic is becoming my favorite Slashdot topic ever. Blackhole devolving into Blackbeta.

I was assaulted by the Beta interface when I accessed the site yesterday. I have not logged on in years and may be leaving soon if Beta is "Teh Futr".

The comment quoted from the 4th Quarter filing is quite interesting because of the dichotomy between the stated mission of the Slashdot mission and management's expectations. A 13.5 million dollar hit on the balance sheet is a significant evaluation of the value the suits put on this audience. There only option "make money, make money, make money" is to develop a new audience by driving out "technology professionals" and replacing them with something else.

Goodby and thanks for all the fish?


Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46177057)

Mr Malda, this site was once your little baby that you ran from your dorm. You've moved on to other things. We miss you but that's fine we can understand.

But why couldn't you have left it in better hands? Why not a fucking not for profit Slashdot foundation. Dice is a fucking Answers.com wannabe. They're fucking butchering Slashdot.


I'm going to use my deductive reasoning here... (3, Insightful)

Guy From V (1453391) | about 2 months ago | (#46177199)

And say I think that most of the community thinks Slashdot Beta sucks.

Re:I'm going to use my deductive reasoning here... (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about 2 months ago | (#46177339)

And say I think that most of the community thinks Slashdot Beta sucks.

You can't tell that, since the vast majority of beta rants are by ACs. It could be the work of simply a small group. OTOH, if the people actually used their nicknames when posting, it might be possible to tell how many users are displeased.

Anonymous tips may be useful for the police, but in just about every other instance, they are ignored because they can't be validated or followed up with. Likewise with AC rants here.

To all the beta haters (-1, Offtopic)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about 2 months ago | (#46177303)

We get it, you don't like the beta. Now will you quit with your rants? All you are doing is making slashdot unusable for everyone. If slashdot dies, it won't be from the beta, it will be from people not wanting to expend the effort to find real comments.

Enough already!

I have a proposal for the slashdot powers that be. How about all anonymous coward postings be automatically flagged for moderation and only those related to the article at hand be released?

Cosmology theory Du Jour, quack, quack (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46177309)

Please, please, this is like a bad Star Trek TNG plot....

Dumb question I know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46177365)

... and I am not trying to be condescending here, I'm genuinely curious. What is a 'Planck star'? Is it like a regular star? Does this mean that we won't eventually end up with a universe full of black holes? Does this mean that there matter can actually escape from a black hole and that there are no white holes?

Re:Dumb question I know... (1)

mbone (558574) | about 2 months ago | (#46177461)

The idea is that quantum gravity stops the singularity from forming. It would still look like a black hole from the outside, for at least 10^100 years or so.

Quick elimination round :

Is it like a regular star? No
Does this mean that we won't eventually end up with a universe full of black holes? No (but it would affect how these BH evaporate).
Does this mean that there matter can actually escape from a black hole - yes, in their theory
and that there are no white holes? - not unless you view the end explosion as a white hole

Bonus question :
What this does for wormholes is unclear. They need exotic matter to survive; maybe that could be done on the quantum gravity level

No (1)

mbone (558574) | about 2 months ago | (#46177403)

If they're right, these gamma rays may already have been detected by space-based telescopes meaning that the evidence is already there for any enterprising astronomer to tease apart.


I doubt they said that, and whether they did or not the data is not there for any enterprising astronomer to tease out.

Any black hole of any realistic mass (say, 2.5 Solar masses and up) will take much, much longer than the current duration of our universe to evaporate. So, maybe this will happen, maybe not, but it for sure hasn't happened yet. Come back in 10^100 years and let's talk,

BETA Boycott 2/7/2014 (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | about 2 months ago | (#46177463)

If you hate Beta, DO NOT VISIT Slashdot on 2/7!!

How you you show them Beta sucks? You drop their ad impressions!
Keep Classic/Fix Beta, or we walk.

Test of text rendering Slashdot Beta (1, Informative)

oRCAD Monkey (1867884) | about 2 months ago | (#46177473)

HI. I posted this to see what it would look like on the beta website.. If they call it beta isn't it supposed to be working? maybe they will fix Slashdot Beta and everyone will be happy again. Can you see this? I can't. What is wrong? Is this why they call it beta? I hope someone will be able to fix this because I am not happy it is not working. Maybe after the beta test is over it will work. It sure doesn't work now. I am getting even sadder. It seems to work on the old site but the beta site is not very good and is making me sad. sad sad sad. I am not very happy when Slashdot makes me very sad. What will happen to me when classic is GONE!!! I will try posting this on YouTube PLEASE HELP ME!!!!! A little history of Slashdot courtesy of Wikipedia. What it was before It was destroyed by Beta. I tried posting this before but could not see it with beta. What am I doing wrong? I guess I will have to keep on trying until I can read it. Maybe that is why they call it beta. I am sure they will fix everything and everyone will be happy again. Tell me if you can read this. I am really upset that I can not see my own posts Maybe that is why they call it beta. I am sure they will fix everything and everyone will be happy again. Can you see this? I can't. What is wrong? Is this why they call it beta? I hope someone will be able to fix this because I am not happy it is not working. Maybe after the beta test is over it will work. It sure doesn't work now. I am getting even sadder.PLEASE HELP ME!!!!! The origins of the site now known as Slashdot date back to July 1997 when Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda started a personal website called Chips & Dips, which featured a single "rant" each day about something that interested him – typically something to do with Linux or open-source software. At the time, Malda was a student at Hope College in Holland, Michigan, majoring in computer science. The site became Slashdot in September 1997 under the slogan "News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters," and quickly became a hotspot on the Web for news and information of interest to computer geeks.[4] The name "Slashdot" came from a somewhat "obnoxious parody of a URL" – when Malda registered the domain, he desired to make a name that was "silly and unpronounceable" – try pronouncing out, "h-t-t-p-colon-slash-slash-slashdot-dot-org".[5] By June 1998 the site was seeing as many as 100,000 page views per day and advertisers began to take notice.[4] By December 1998, Slashdot had net revenues of $18,000, yet its Internet profile was higher, and revenues were expected to increase. On June 29, 1999, the site was sold to Linux megasite Andover.net for $1.5 million in cash and $7 million in Andover stock at the IPO price. Part of the deal was contingent upon the continued employment of Rob Malda and Jeff Bates and on "the achievement of certain milestones". With the acquisition of Slashdot, Andover.net could now advertise itself as "the leading Linux/Open Source destination on the Internet".[6][7] Andover.net eventually merged with VA Linux on February 3, 2000,[8] which changed its name to SourceForge, Inc. on May 24, 2007, and became Geeknet, Inc. on November 4, 2009.[9] Slashdot's 10,000th article was posted after two and a half years on February 24, 2000,[10] and the 100,000th article was posted on December 11, 2009 after 12 years online.[11] During the first 12 years, the most active story with the most responses posted was the post-2004 US Presidential Election article "Kerry Concedes Election To Bush" with 5,687 posts. This followed the creation of a new article section, politics.slashdot.org, created at the start of the 2004 election on September 7, 2004.[12] Many of the most popular stories are political, with "Strike on Iraq" (March 19, 2003) the second-most-active article and "Barack Obama Wins US Presidency" (November 5, 2008) the third-most-active. The rest of the 10 most active articles are an article announcing the 2005 London bombings, and several articles about Evolution vs. Intelligent Design, Saddam Hussein's capture, and Fahrenheit 9/11. Articles about Microsoft and its Windows Operating System are popular—a thread posted in 2002 titled "What's Keeping You On Windows?" was the 10th-most-active story, and an article about Windows 2000/NT4 source-code leaks the most visited article with more than 680,000 hits.[13] Some controversy erupted on March 9, 2001 after an anonymous user posted the full text of Scientology's "Operating Thetan Level Three" (OT III) document in a comment attached to a Slashdot article. The Church of Scientology demanded that Slashdot remove the document under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. A week later, in a long article, Slashdot editors explained their decision to remove the page while providing links and information on how to get the document from other sources.[14] Slashdot Japan was launched on May 28, 2001 (although the first article was published April 5, 2001) and is an official offshoot of the US-based Web site. The site is currently owned by OSDN-Japan, Inc., and carries some of the US-based Slashdot articles as well as localized stories.[15][16] An external site, todhsalS, has reported selected stories published on Slashdot Japan in English since March 1, 2009.[17] On Valentine's Day 2002, founder Rob Malda proposed to longtime girlfriend Kathleen Fent using the front page of Slashdot.[18][19] They were married on December 8, 2002, in Las Vegas, Nevada.[20] Slashdot implemented a subscription service on March 1, 2002. Slashdot's subscription model works by allowing users to pay a small fee to be able to view pages without banner ads, starting at a rate of $5 per 1,000 page views – non-subscribers may still view articles and respond to comments, with banner ads in place.[21] On March 6, 2003, subscribers were given the ability to see articles 10 to 20 minutes before they are released to the public.[22] Slashdot altered its threaded discussion forum display software to explicitly show domains for links in articles, as "users made a sport out of tricking unsuspecting readers into visiting [Goatse.cx]."[23] April Fools' Day 2006 logo In observance of April Fools' Day (April 1) in 2006, Slashdot temporarily changed its signature teal color theme to a warm palette of bubblegum pink and changed its masthead from the usual, "News for Nerds" motto to, "OMG!!! Ponies!!!" Editors joked that this was done to increase female readership.[24] In another supposed April Fools' Day joke, User Achievement tags were introduced on April 1, 2009.[25] This system allowed users to be tagged with various achievements, such as "The Tagger" for tagging a story or "Member of the {1,2,3,4,5} Digit UID Club" for having a Slashdot UID consisting of a certain number of digits. While it was posted on April Fools' Day to allow for certain joke achievements, the system is real.[26] Slashdot unveiled its newly redesigned site on June 4, 2006, following a CSS Redesign Competition. The winner of the competition was Alex Bendiken, who built on the initial CSS framework of the site. The new site looks similar to the old one but is more polished with more rounded curves, collapsible menus, and updated fonts.[27] On November 9 that same year, Malda wrote that Slashdot attained 16,777,215 (or 224 1) comments, which broke the database for three hours until the administrators fixed the issue.[28] On January 25, 2011, Malda announced that the site launched its third major redesign in its 13.5-year history, which gutted the HTML and CSS, and updated the graphics.[29] On August 25, 2011, Malda announced that he was resigning as Editor-in-Chief of Slashdot, effective immediately. He did not mention any immediate plans for the future, other than spending more time with his family, catching up on some reading, and possibly writing a book.[30][31] His final farewell message received over 1,400 posts within 24 hours on the site.[32] On December 7, 2011, Slashdot announced that it would start to push what the company described as "sponsored" Ask Slashdot questions.[33] On March 28, 2012, Slashdot announced the launch of slashdot TV.[34] In September 2012, it was announced that Slashdot had been acquired by Dice Holdings, alongside other Geeknet websites including SourceForge and Freecode, for $20 million in cash.[2][35] Dice, owner of job listing and career websites, stated that there were no plans for major changes to Slashdot.[35] However, beginning October 1, 2013, the site is currently in "beta" for a new, controversial redesign that looks more like typical blog websites with the once elaborate comment system now replaced with a simpler one at the end.[36] Administration[edit] Team[edit] Rob Malda, Founder of Slashdot The site is owned by Dice Holdings. It was run by its founder, Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda, from 1998 until 2011. He shared editorial responsibilities with several other editors including Timothy Lord, Patrick "Scuttlemonkey" McGarry, Jeff "Soulskill" Boehm, Rob "Samzenpus" Rozeboom, and Keith Dawson.[37][38] Jonathan "cowboyneal" Pater is another popular editor of Slashdot, who came to work for Slashdot as a programmer and systems administrator. His online nickname (handle), CowboyNeal, is inspired by a Grateful Dead tribute to Neal Cassady in their song, "That’s It for the Other One". He is best known as the target of the usual comic poll option,[39] a tradition started by Chris DiBona.[40] Slash and peer moderation[edit] The administration of the site uses the Slash source code and database, a content management system available under the GNU General Public License.[41] Slashdot's editors are primarily responsible for selecting and editing the primary stories daily from submitters; they provide a one-paragraph summary for each and a link to an external site where the story originated. Each story becomes the topic for a threaded discussion among the site's users.[42] A user-based moderation system is employed to filter out abusive comments.[43] Every comment is initially given a score of -1 to +2, with a default score of +1 for registered users, 0 for anonymous users (Anonymous Coward), +2 for users with high "karma", or 1 for users with low "karma". As moderators read comments attached to articles, they click to moderate the comment, either up (+1) or down (1). Moderators may choose to attach a particular descriptor to the comments as well, such as normal, offtopic, flamebait, troll, redundant, insightful, interesting, informative, funny, overrated, or underrated, with each corresponding to a -1 or +1 rating. So a comment may be seen to have a rating of "+1 insightful" or "-1 troll".[38] Moderation points add to a user's karma, and users with high "karma" are eligible to become moderators themselves. The system does not promote regular users as "moderators" and instead assigns five moderation points at a time to users based on the number of comments they have entered in the system – once a user's moderation points are used up, they can no longer moderate articles (though they can be assigned more moderation points at a later date). Paid staff editors have an unlimited number of moderation points.[38][42][44] A given comment can have any integer score from -1 to +5, and registered users of Slashdot can set a personal threshold so that no comments with a lesser score are displayed.[42][44] For instance, a user reading Slashdot at level +5 will only see the highest rated comments, while a user reading at level -1 will see a more "unfiltered, anarchic version".[38] A meta-moderation system was implemented on September 7, 1999,[45] to moderate the moderators and help contain abuses in the moderation system. Meta-moderators are presented with a set of moderations that they may rate as either fair or unfair. For each moderation, the meta-moderator sees the original comment and the reason assigned by the moderator (e.g. troll, funny), and the meta-moderator can click to see the context of comments surrounding the one that was moderated.[42][44] Features[edit] Slashdot features discussion forums on a variety of technology- and science-related topics, or "News for Nerds", as its motto states. Articles are divided into the following sections:[46] Apple – news related to products from Apple Inc., such as Mac OS X or iPhone. Ask Slashdot – articles that seek advice from users about jobs, computer hardware, software glitches, philosophical problems, or more. Book Reviews – original book reviews on (not necessarily) tech books. BSD – news about the various modern versions of UNIX derived from the UCB distribution. Developers – news about software or programming. Features – original, feature-length articles. Games – gaming news. Geeks in Space – a web audio broadcast featuring several of the editors of Slashdot (outdated; no new episodes have been posted recently). Idle – miscellaneous and humorous articles, pictures, and videos. Interviews – interviews with various people related to science and technology. Information Technology (IT) – anything that people with "Information Technology" in their job description might be interested to know. Linux – news specific to the Linux operating system (any variant or distribution). Politics – news typically relevant to politics of the United States, but occasionally featuring international political news. It was originally created to cover the 2004 United States Presidential Election. Polls – a poll is usually run on the site in the right-hand margin, asking users their choice on a variety of topics. In the earlier years of the site, one of the options that could be selected was CowboyNeal, the handle of Jonathan Pater, an administrator of the site. This became known as the CowboyNeal option.[47] During the summer of 2005, he stopped being in charge of the polls, and as a result the CowboyNeal option all but disappeared. Science – news on science-related topics (e.g. cool technology, space telescope observations, interesting medical research). Your Rights Online (YRO) – news on topics pertaining to internet privacy and digital rights. Tags[edit] Slashdot uses a system of "tags" where users can categorize a story to group them together and sorting them. Tags are written in all lowercase, with no spaces, and limited to 64 characters. For example, articles could be tagged as being about security or mozilla. Some articles are tagged with longer tags, such as whatcouldpossiblygowrong (expressing the perception of catastrophic risk), suddenoutbreakofcommonsense (used when the community feels that the subject has finally figured out something obvious), correlationnotcausation (used when scientific articles lack direct evidence; see correlation does not imply causation), or getyourasstomars (commonly seen in articles about Mars or space exploration).[48][49] Culture[edit] Tux, the Linux Penguin See also: Internet meme and List of Internet phenomena As an online community with primarily user-generated content, many in-jokes and internet memes have developed over the course of the site's history. A popular meme (based on an unscientific Slashdot user poll[50]) is, "In Soviet Russia, noun verb you!"[51] The phrase was actually originated by Ukrainian-born comedian Yakov Smirnoff as his famous Russian reversal – "In America, you can always find a party. In Soviet Russia, The Party can always find you!"[52] Other popular memes usually pertain to computing or technology, such as "Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these",[53] "But does it run Linux?",[54] or "Netcraft now confirms: BSD (or some other software package or item) is dying."[55] Some users will also refer to seemingly innocent remarks by correcting them and adding "you insensitive clod!" to the statement – a reference to a February 14, 1986, Calvin & Hobbes cartoon[56] or the 11th season The Simpsons episode, Last Tap Dance in Springfield, wherein Frink exclaims to Homer, "I was merely trying to spare the girl's feelings, you insensitive clod!" Users will also typically refer to articles referring to data storage and data capacity by inquiring how much it is in units of Libraries of Congress.[57] Slashdotters often use the abbreviation TFA which stands for The fucking article or RTFA (Read the fucking article), which itself is derived from the abbreviation RTFM.[58] Usage of this abbreviation often exposes comments from posters who have not read the article linked to in the main story. Slashdotters typically like to mock United States Senator Ted Stevens' 2006 description of the Internet as a "series of tubes"[59][60] or Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer's chair-throwing incident from 2005.[61][62] Microsoft founder Bill Gates is a popular target of jokes by Slashdotters, and all stories about Microsoft were once identified with a graphic of Gates looking like a Borg from Star Trek: The Next Generation.[63] Many Slashdotters have long talked about the supposed release of Duke Nukem Forever, which was promised in 1997 but was delayed indefinitely (the game was eventually released in 2011).[64] References to the game are commonly brought up in other articles about software packages that are not yet in production even though the announced delivery date has long passed (see vaporware). Having a low Slashdot user identifier (user ID) is highly valued since they are assigned sequentially; having one is a sign that someone has an older account and has contributed to the site longer. For Slashdot's 10-year anniversary in 2007, one of the items auctioned off in the charity auction for the Electronic Frontier Foundation was a 3-digit Slashdot user ID.[26][65] Traffic and publicity[edit] See also: Slashdot effect As of 2006, Slashdot had approximately 5.5 million users per month. As of January 2013, the site's Alexa rank is 2,000, with the average user spending 3 minutes and 18 seconds per day on the site and 82,665 sites linking in.[1] The primary stories on the site consist of a short synopsis paragraph, a link to the original story, and a lengthy discussion section, all contributed by users. Discussion on stories can get up to 10,000 posts per day. Slashdot has been considered a pioneer in user-driven content, influencing other sites such as Google News and Wikipedia.[66][67] There has been a dip in readership as of 2011, primarily due to the increase of technology-related blogs and Twitter feeds.[68] In 2002, approximately 50% of Slashdot's traffic consisted of people who simply check out the headlines and click through, while others participate in discussion boards and take part in the community.[69] Many links in Slashdot stories caused the linked site to get swamped by heavy traffic and its server to collapse. This is known as the "Slashdot effect",[66][69] a term which was first coined on February 15, 1999 that refers to an article about a "new generation of niche Web portals driving unprecedented amounts of traffic to sites of interest".[67][70] Today, most major websites can handle the surge of traffic, but the effect continues to occur on smaller or independent sites.[71] These sites are then said to have been Slashdotted. Slashdot has received over twenty awards, including People's Voice Awards in 2000 in both of the categories for which it was nominated (Best Community Site and Best News Site).[72] It was also voted as one of Newsweek's favorite technology Web sites and rated in Yahoo!'s Top 100 Web sites as the "Best Geek Hangout" (2001).[73] The main antagonists in the 2004 novel Century Rain, by Alastair Reynolds – The Slashers – are named after Slashdot users.[74] The site was mentioned briefly in the 2000 novel Cosmonaut Keep, written by Ken MacLeod.[75] Several celebrities have stated that they either checked the website regularly or participated in its discussion forums using an account. Some of these celebrities include: Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak,[76] writer and actor Wil Wheaton,[77] and id Software technical director John Carmack.[78] I posted this to see what it would look like on the beta website.. Can you see this? I can't. What is wrong? Is this why they call it beta? I hope someone will be able to fix this because I am not happy it is not working. Maybe after the beta test is over it will work. It sure doesn't work now. I am getting even sadder. PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!
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