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India Frees Itself of Polio

samzenpus posted about 7 months ago | from the wiped-out dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "It's been three years since the last recorded polio case in India and health officials hope to officially certify India polio free in the next few weeks. 'Hamid Jafari, director of the WHO's polio-eradication campaign, says the agency's ambitious quest to stop all polio transmission by the end of 2014 is now within reach. If that is achieved, and no new cases crop up for three years, polio—like smallpox—will be officially banished from the planet. "India was one of the most important sources" from where the virus spread to other countries, said Dr. Jafari.'"

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Excellent! (4, Insightful)

jones_supa (887896) | about 7 months ago | (#45936997)

These are fantastic news!

Re:Excellent! (4, Funny)

Bite The Pillow (3087109) | about 7 months ago | (#45937009)

All it took was a single country to do the needful.

The vomiting smelly cocks... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937445)

Smelly cocks are vomiting sticky goodies right into your asshole. What will you do?

Not so fast ! (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937279)

Next door to India, Polio is making a come back.

Same thing also happening in Nigeria, as well as in Mali.

The common thread in the three locations that is helping Polio making a revival is Islam.

Yes, Islam is helping to make Polio a permanent fixture to the human race.

In Pakistan, they actually KILL health workers trying to eradicate Polio. Same thing happen in Nigeria, where Boko Haram has threaten (and sometimes kill) people trying to stop the spread of Polio.

Re:Not so fast ! (2)

Vlad_the_Inhaler (32958) | about 7 months ago | (#45937307)

If you think Islam = Al Quaeda (sp?) then that is true. Al Q's rejection of the West goes that far.

Re:Not so fast ! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937331)

Do you have a source or are you are retard?

Are you that *RETARD* you are looking for ? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937461)

Do you have a source or are you are retard?

Are you so retarded that you do not know how to google for information yourself ?

Re:Are you that *RETARD* you are looking for ? (2, Insightful)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | about 7 months ago | (#45937505)

Don't make a claim and then expect the skeptics to find your evidence for you.

They are lazy, that's all they are ! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937613)

Don't make a claim and then expect the skeptics to find your evidence for you.

That's not a claim, that's a FACT !!

As for the "expect the skeptics to find your evidence for you" bit, I never expect lazy fuckers to do anything worthwhile anyway.

BTW, there are already two other posters commenting with useful links in proving what I have stated ... and their comments are ---

http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4660595&cid=45937507 [slashdot.org]

http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4660595&cid=45937381 [slashdot.org]

Re:Are you that *RETARD* you are looking for ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937621)

As a general rule, allowing others to provide biased sources for you may not be a wise choice. Searching for your own evidence might indeed be the best course of action.

Re:Are you that *RETARD* you are looking for ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937577)

Are you so retarded that you do not know how to google for information yourself ?

You have the burden of proof here.

Re:Not so fast ! (3, Informative)

Chrisq (894406) | about 7 months ago | (#45937507)

Do you have a source or are you are retard?

My god how far has the propaganda that Islam is as harmless as the women's institute gone. Surely you must have read about all the polio workers killed [aljazeera.com] ?

Re:Not so fast ! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937767)

Um, I know it's a lot of trouble to go to, but you could start by looking at the pretty colourful pictures in the original WSJ article, which points out that polio is still endemic in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Nigeria, and that aid workers in Muslim areas have been attacked.

Re:Not so fast ! (1)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about 7 months ago | (#45937361)

Thank you! You are a master communicator. I think your arguments come across especially rationally with the use of bold, italics and CAPS. All signs of truth and reasoned positions. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Re:Not so fast ! (4, Informative)

rvw (755107) | about 7 months ago | (#45937451)

Yes, Islam is helping to make Polio a permanent fixture to the human race.

The former two catholic popes did similar stuff with condoms and HIV in Africa and South America. I hope this one has more common sense.

Re:Not so fast ! (3, Insightful)

Chrisq (894406) | about 7 months ago | (#45937515)

Yes, Islam is helping to make Polio a permanent fixture to the human race.

The former two catholic popes did similar stuff with condoms and HIV in Africa and South America. I hope this one has more common sense.

Funny, I can't remember the last pope murdering health workers. Even if he did - does that make it right for Muslims to do it too?

Re:Not so fast ! (5, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 7 months ago | (#45937489)

From TFA:

"Religious leaders were persuaded to join the effort. "The calls that went out to the Muslim faithful every Friday contained reminders to take children to the immunization booths," said Mr. Kapur of Rotary International. "These were the people initially most skeptical of the vaccines but, once convinced, they became our biggest agents of change."

So it's not Islam in general that's anti-polio. Indeed, you don't get those craziness in any Muslim culture with well-educated populace.

The people who are killing health workers administering vaccines in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Nigeria are not just Muslims. They are Salafi, an extremely fundamentalist Muslim sect that espouses strict Koranic literalism and advocates for a return to the practices of the "original Islam" (which, basically, translates to society and culture frozen as it was in the times of Muhammad). Taliban, Boko Haram, al-Qaeda, Caucasus Emirate etc - these are all Salafi.

Re:Not so fast ! (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about 7 months ago | (#45937545)

. Indeed, you don't get those craziness in any Muslim culture with well-educated populace

No they just fly planes into buildings [time.com]

Re:Not so fast ! (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 7 months ago | (#45937609)

"Well-educated" implies, among other things, the ability to rationally think about one's own religion.

Re:Not so fast ! (1, Flamebait)

Chrisq (894406) | about 7 months ago | (#45937653)

"Well-educated" implies, among other things, the ability to rationally think about one's own religion.

A strange definition, but if you go with it "Well educated Muslim" is an oxymoron. Also you would have to be clear that you count people with university degrees, doctors, engineers as "not well educated" when you say that Muslims carry out terrorist attacks because they are not well educated. Otherwise people might get the impression that the solution would be improving their level of education.

I would suggest that for the purposes of communication yo just say the same as i do; Islam suppresses any thought or descent and makes people do bad things. Its a lot clearer than redefining "well educated" and then claiming that muslims are not!

Re:Not so fast ! (0, Troll)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 7 months ago | (#45937725)

Well-educated fundamentalist Muslim is an oxymoron; just as well-educated Christian fundamentalist is. Education is supposed to impart the ability to critically think (indeed, many argue that it is the main point of it).

And yes, Christian fundies are just as dangerous. They just don't happen to be dominant anywhere, thankfully.

A strawman attack !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937763)

I was waiting for the strawman to make an appearance, and you never disappoint me.

Well-educated fundamentalist Muslim is an oxymoron; just as well-educated Christian fundamentalist is. Education is supposed to impart the ability to critically think (indeed, many argue that it is the main point of it).

And yes, Christian fundies are just as dangerous.

Pulling a strawman trick will never make your lame point any more stronger.

Why the need to mention the Christian fundies, may I ask ?

Is it because you have run out of boogieman ?

Or is it a way to divert the attention away from that bloody religion of Islam ?

It was Islamic terrorists which brought down the WTC. Not Christian fundies, not Buddist fundies, not Hindu fundies, not even Atheist fundies.

Shame on you !!

The 9/11 attackers were college educated ! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937671)

"Well-educated" implies, among other things, the ability to rationally think about one's own religion.

Fact: Many Islamic Terrorists were college educated !

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/14/opinion/14bergen.html?_r=0 [nytimes.com]

"We examined the educational backgrounds of 75 terrorists behind some of the most significant recent terrorist attacks against Westerners. We found that a majority of them are college-educated, often in technical subjects like engineering. In the four attacks for which the most complete information about the perpetrators' educational levels is available - the World Trade Center bombing in 1993, the attacks on the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998, the 9/11 attacks, and the Bali bombings in 2002 - 53 percent of the terrorists had either attended college or had received a college degree"

The 1993 attack on World Trade Center

"The 1993 World Trade Center attack involved 12 men, all of whom had a college education"

Of the 9/11 attack

"The 9/11 pilots, as well as the secondary planners identified by the 9/11 commission, all attended Western universities, a prestigious and elite endeavor for anyone from the Middle East. Indeed, the lead 9/11 pilot, Mohamed Atta, had a degree from a German university in, of all things, urban preservation, while the operational planner of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, studied engineering in North Carolina . We also found that two-thirds of the 25 hijackers and planners involved in 9/11 had attended college"

They were educated in colleges in America as well as in Europe. If they still can't THINK RATIONALLY after getting their college education in WESTERN UNIVERSITIES, who is to blame ?

The Western Universities or that bloody religion of Islam ?

Re:The 9/11 attackers were college educated ! (3, Insightful)

Chrisq (894406) | about 7 months ago | (#45937705)

"Well-educated" implies, among other things, the ability to rationally think about one's own religion.

Fact: Many Islamic Terrorists were college educated !

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/14/opinion/14bergen.html?_r=0 [nytimes.com]

"We examined the educational backgrounds of 75 terrorists behind some of the most significant recent terrorist attacks against Westerners. We found that a majority of them are college-educated, often in technical subjects like engineering. In the four attacks for which the most complete information about the perpetrators' educational levels is available - the World Trade Center bombing in 1993, the attacks on the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998, the 9/11 attacks, and the Bali bombings in 2002 - 53 percent of the terrorists had either attended college or had received a college degree"

The 1993 attack on World Trade Center

"The 1993 World Trade Center attack involved 12 men, all of whom had a college education"

Of the 9/11 attack

"The 9/11 pilots, as well as the secondary planners identified by the 9/11 commission, all attended Western universities, a prestigious and elite endeavor for anyone from the Middle East. Indeed, the lead 9/11 pilot, Mohamed Atta, had a degree from a German university in, of all things, urban preservation, while the operational planner of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, studied engineering in North Carolina . We also found that two-thirds of the 25 hijackers and planners involved in 9/11 had attended college"

They were educated in colleges in America as well as in Europe. If they still can't THINK RATIONALLY after getting their college education in WESTERN UNIVERSITIES, who is to blame ?

The Western Universities or that bloody religion of Islam ?

Some people's thinking is so strange. Muslims with a University education commit acts of terrorism. Muslims without a University education commit acts of terrorism. So ... lets redefine "well educated" to mean thinking critically about religion and claim that the common factor is that "uneducated" commit acts of terrorism

Re:The 9/11 attackers were college educated ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937739)

Some people's thinking is so strange. Muslims with a University education commit acts of terrorism. Muslims without a University education commit acts of terrorism. So ... lets redefine "well educated" to mean thinking critically about religion and claim that the common factor is that "uneducated" commit acts of terrorism

There is a name for them - Apologists.

They will do everything within their power to apologize for Islam, even to the extend of doing totally ridiculous irrational acts, such as that guy who tried to redefine the term "EDUCATED".

The irrational way of the Islamist apologists aren't that far removed from the irrational thinking of the Islamic terrorists, and the common link between the two, again, is the word ISLAM !

Re:Not so fast ! (3, Interesting)

dbIII (701233) | about 7 months ago | (#45937559)

One of the reasons for that was some IDIOT in the CIA apparently using a polio vaccination program as a cover for a covert operation in Pakistan. There's some lines that should not be crossed. Otherwise it makes us little better than the people that turn kids into walking bombs.

Oh yes, blame CIA for *EVERYTHING* !! (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937707)

One of the reasons for that was some IDIOT in the CIA apparently using a polio vaccination program as a cover for a covert operation in Pakistan

Isn't it so swell that you get to blame CIA for *EVERYTHING* ??

Did CIA plan the 9/11 attack or was it Osama Bin Laden who led the planning committee ?

Was Pakistan offering a sanctuary for Osama Bin Laden, or was it CIA which pressured Pakistan to offer sanctuary for Osama Bin Laden ?

Do you have a brain ?

Do you know how to think ?

Blaming the CIA for everything may be a trendy thing, but you sir are a certifiable *IDIOT* to blame CIA on their killing the health workers in Pakistan !

S)_IA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937727)

You have way too many facts here. Even if you wanted to say something it was buried by them.

cold_fjord? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937745)

Oh, wow. cold_fjord going ballistic. Nice fireworks :-)

Re:Excellent! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937323)

Alright everyone, let's all go down to the Ganges river and bath ourselves in shit now, cuz that's what we do here in India!

Re:Excellent! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937339)

Don't forget to rape all the girls on the way there too!

Re:Excellent! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937397)

It's rapists like you who sicken me.

Re:Excellent! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937389)

Maybe you enjoy doing it - perhaps that's why you are bathing in it.

Re: Excellent! (1)

masikh Nagtegaal (3498069) | about 7 months ago | (#45937669)

Sorry to disappoint you all but during my stay in India last month there where records of polio outbreak in Pakistan. There is still a lot of work to be done:(

That's what they want you to think (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937017)

U.S. government have reserves of polio. THey invented and patented it.

Re:That's what they want you to think (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937069)

Considering Polio has been around since before the U.S. Government even existed that is a damn fine effort to have invented it.

Re:That's what they want you to think (1)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about 7 months ago | (#45937369)

I doubt they would have patented it because then their work would be public. But I have no doubt they have reserves of purified polio in underground bunkers. Although you have to wonder if this is would be an effective wartime weapon. Surely something faster-acting and more challenging to inoculate against would be a better choice.

Re:That's what they want you to think (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937523)

U.S. government have reserves of polio. THey invented and patented it.

Considering Polio has been around since before the U.S. Government even existed that is a damn fine effort to have invented it.

oh sorry - I was thinking of polo mints

But vaccinations give you autism (5, Funny)

Swampash (1131503) | about 7 months ago | (#45937039)

Jenny McCarthy wouldn't lie to me!

Re:But vaccinations give you autism (2)

davester666 (731373) | about 7 months ago | (#45937081)

they gave her brain damage and swollen breasts.

Re:But vaccinations give you autism (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937293)

And thank God for that, just the way I like 'em!

Re:But vaccinations give you autism (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937607)

If only there was a way to make them stop talking about Jesus all the time...

it'll be back (4, Insightful)

bloodhawk (813939) | about 7 months ago | (#45937049)

Given the epidemic of stupid parents that refuse to immunise children nowadays it should not be long till many of the old virus's and diseases rear their ugly heads again.

Re:it'll be back (4, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 7 months ago | (#45937107)

Given the epidemic of stupid parents that refuse to immunise children nowadays it should not be long till many of the old virus's and diseases rear their ugly heads again.

I wouldn't call this 'good' news; but polio is sufficiently unpleasant to send your basic chickenshit first world antivaxxer running screaming to the nearest vaccination location (for most childhood diseases for which vaccines are available, you aren't helping your odds by playing at anti-vax; the serious disease effects are still somewhat more common than the vaccine side effects; but polio is a genuinely nasty customer).

Thankfully it has no animal vectors (of any note in the wild, I'm sure you can buy a mouse model or something that is susceptible in the lab) so it mostly hangs out in areas so remote or underdeveloped that sheer logistical difficulty keeps vaccination efforts sporadic.

The one nasty anti-vax angle with polio is, I'm ashamed to say, pretty much our fault: The CIA came up with a clever ruse to do some DNA gathering [theguardian.com] under the guise of a vaccination program (one for hepatitis B), and the subsequent revelation of this fact has not done much to quell the 'zOMG vaccines are a western and/or zionist conspiracy against muslims!!!' rumor mongering present in certain areas.

Re:it'll be back (5, Interesting)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 7 months ago | (#45937201)

The old terrors of disease have been eradicated in developed countries for so long that even the cultural memory is fading. People do not fear a disease they know absolutely nothing of.

Just ask people what the symptoms of cholora are. Most of them probably don't know, and that's still endemic in parts of the world.

Re:it'll be back (1)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about 7 months ago | (#45937373)

i think it's like crazy diarrhea. doh!

Re:it'll be back (4, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 7 months ago | (#45937215)

The CIA came up with a clever ruse

The CIA endangers everybody on the planet with their little game(s) - 'clever' could only be applied superficially.

Re:it'll be back (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 7 months ago | (#45937429)

I hoped that the context of my being ashamed to mention it made it clear how much I didn't approve of putting infectious disease control in the line of fire.

I'd say, though, that you might be more accurate to say that it's a myopically clever plan, rather than a superficially clever one. Within the narrow, barely relevant, context of 'so, we need a DNA sample from a well guarded private compound in a country where most of the locals hate our guts and going through the official channels would mean somebody tipping off our suspect within hours, any ideas?' A fake vaccination program is among the better available answers.

In the broader context of the fact that there's never been a man alive nearly as dangerous as some second rate infectious diseases, it's about the dumbest answer imaginable. (Extra demerits awarded for hampering control of polio, which is right on the edge of being finally eradicated, and for doing so in a region where any remaining infections are atypically likely to spread via the more downmarket Hajj trips to assorted other areas where vaccination programs are nontrivial).

Somehow, none of this is terribly out of character for the CIA, unfortunately.

Re:it'll be back (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937647)

Uh did you not see Homeland? Those games are starting peace talks between Iran and US -- Go Claire Danes!

Hey - let us feel good for a change! (1)

Okian Warrior (537106) | about 7 months ago | (#45937113)

Given the epidemic of stupid parents that refuse to immunise children nowadays it should not be long till many of the old virus's and diseases rear their ugly heads again.

Can't we feel good about doing something noble for a change? Even for a minute?

Have a heart, guy!

Re:Hey - let us feel good for a change! (2)

bloodhawk (813939) | about 7 months ago | (#45937193)

It is honestly great work by many dedicated people that have lead to this. I applaud them without reserve. I just think it is sad that so many poorly informed people work to undermine these great efforts.

Re:it'll be back (1)

artor3 (1344997) | about 7 months ago | (#45937127)

Not if it's extinct.

Re:it'll be back (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937149)

Not if it's extinct.

Depends on your definition of extinct. Even if no known cases of the disease for years, a vector still might be dormant, ready for comeback.

Re:it'll be back (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937183)

it would not be the first time someone caught a supposedly extinct disease. There are so many small pockets of humanity in remote regions of the world that it will be many decades before we can definitively claim it to be extinct.

Re:it'll be back (1)

mirix (1649853) | about 7 months ago | (#45937391)

Smallpox has been absent since the 70's, and hasn't show up yet... So if the premise is the same with polio, yes we can say that it is extinct... I think.

I think it only exists in one CDC facility and one research / germ warfare facility in siberia, now.

Re:it'll be back (2)

stoploss (2842505) | about 7 months ago | (#45937465)

Smallpox has been absent since the 70's, and hasn't show up yet... So if the premise is the same with polio, yes we can say that it is extinct... I think.

I think it only exists in one CDC facility and one research / germ warfare facility in siberia, now.

Meh. I'm sure it exists in other places as well. For example, the sequence for smallpox is well-known, so it could be reconstructed by a government even if those samples were destroyed. Furthermore, there's always the random serendipity of as-yet undiscovered samples:
Century-old smallpox scabs in N.M. envelope [usatoday.com] (found in a library, of all places...)

However, I concur that the disease is extinct in the wild, and, barring malfeasance, there will never be another epidemic of smallpox.

Re:it'll be back (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | about 7 months ago | (#45937153)

We don't need the old diseases to come back as drug resistant bacteria has the potential to kill modern medicine.
Imagine getting a scratch on your hand and having to amputate because the doctors can't prevent infection..

Re:it'll be back (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937291)

It's ok, they can just go to their local homeopathy practitioner!

Re:it'll be back (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937395)

In 2003, I saw cases of polio in the Nuba Mountains of Sudan. There was an active vaccination campaign, however, they were not able to reach everyone in the hills. One of the most depressing diseases to deal with in that environment. People die all the time from these diseases and the villagers believe in vaccination. It keeps their kids alive. Every time I meet an anti-vaccine idiot, the urge to throat punch them and remove them from the gene pool is almost......almost overpowering. I consider it child abuse.

It is still a tough fight ahead (5, Informative)

crabel (1862874) | about 7 months ago | (#45937085)

Current information on the fight against polio can be found here: http://www.polioeradication.org/Dataandmonitoring/Poliothisweek.aspx [polioeradication.org] While India is polio-free, the worldwide cases actually increased last year. Well, let's hope for the best, that the optimistic assessment of Dr. Jafari is true.

Re:It is still a tough fight ahead (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937257)

The world should free itself from the following countries: Somalia, Pakistan, Nigeria, Afghanistan:

http://www.polioeradication.org/Dataandmonitoring/Poliothisweek.aspx [polioeradication.org]

Fantastic (4, Interesting)

symbolset (646467) | about 7 months ago | (#45937087)

Great job on the part of India, the Gates foundation, and all involved. For polio to be eradicated forever would be a great thing.

Re:Fantastic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937631)

Yeah, "frees itself" is a little misleading, considering the massive amount of external aid it took to accomplish it. It's certainly a fantastic step toward a better future when your people can have one less life-threatening fear to face.

Good on them! (5, Interesting)

Okian Warrior (537106) | about 7 months ago | (#45937101)

From the Polio Eradication Website [polioeradication.org] :

Polio remains endemic in three countries – Afghanistan, Nigeria and Pakistan. Until poliovirus transmission is interrupted in these countries, all countries remain at risk of importation of polio, especially in the ‘poliovirus importation belt’ of countries from west Africa to the Horn of Africa.

Only 372 cases [polioeradication.org] worldwide last year! If we're careful, if we can convince certain political groups that polio is not an appropriate weapon of terrorism(*), we'll soon eliminate it completely.

Interestingly, polio is monitored from the sewage system [polioeradication.org] in India. Since that appears to work for polio, people are thinking about using this method to monitor other things: other diseases, weapons manufacture, drug manufacture, and so on.

(*) Not making this up - some groups in Afghanistan think that spreading polio is a good way to get back at the Great Satan.

Re:Good on them! (3, Funny)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 7 months ago | (#45937211)

There's a common rumor in Afganistan that the Polio vaccine is actually a potent lifetime contraceptive, distributed by western powers in order to keep Muslim women from breeding in readyness for a planned Christian invasion.

The most unbelieveable part of that is the idea of a government planning so far ahead.

Re:Good on them! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937393)

It's not as baseless as you think though since the CIA did use vaccination programs to gather DNA.

Re:Good on them! (1)

ruir (2709173) | about 7 months ago | (#45937473)

If you think governments dont plan many things many decades ahead, you are naive.

Re:Good on them! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937571)

And if you think they are remotely accurate, so are you.

Re:Good on them! (2)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 7 months ago | (#45937603)

They plan fifty years ahead, but the plans get thrown away and rewritten from scratch every two years.

Re:Good on them! (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937287)

The US and other western countries have done this for quite some time now (15-20 years in California that I know of), particularly for monitoring drug consumption of the population as a whole. I'm not sure if the resulting information is made readily available to the public, but there is a government agency out there somewhere collecting this information and using it for something important enough to substantiate the costs involved.

Source: One of my clients engineers the big compressors that are used to separate waste in sewage plants. Once separated, samples are taken and tested for various compounds.

They also engineer subsystems that are designed specifically to collect 'unintentional waste of reasonable value' - also known as jewelry. Your wedding ring that went down the shower drain? It didn't get dumped into the ocean. It's most likely that your local sewage plant found it and melted it down for the value of the metal and gems. I found out about this something like ten years ago, and that year my local plant had gained over $400k from reclaimed jewelry. So it seems that sewage treatment really is a dirty business.

Re:Good on them! (1)

Falconhell (1289630) | about 7 months ago | (#45937509)

Welll played Sir.

Meanwhile, in Syria... (4, Informative)

Y-Crate (540566) | about 7 months ago | (#45937161)

The WSJ:

There also have been recent outbreaks in the Horn of Africa and Syria, although there are signs that those cases will soon be mopped up.

NPR: [npr.org]

The World Health Organization has declared a polio emergency in Syria.

After being free of the crippling disease for more than a decade, Syria recorded 10 confirmed cases of polio in October. Now the outbreak has grown to 17 confirmed cases, the WHO said last week. And the virus has spread to four cities, including a war-torn suburb near the capital of Damascus.

The Syrian government has pledged to immunize all Syrian children under age 5. But wartime politics is getting in the way. And the outbreak is expected to grow.

"Actually, it is spreading quickly," says Dr. Mohammed Al Saad in Gaziantep, Turkey, near the northern border of Syria. There are now more than 60 suspected cases, he says, with new ones reported each day.

Re:Meanwhile, in Syria... (1)

WinstonWolfIT (1550079) | about 7 months ago | (#45937235)

Obviously imported by extremists from Afghanistan.

Re:Meanwhile, in Syria... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937273)

Because to a lot of them any vaccinations are the work of the US Imperialists and only go to spread the work of Satan.
These people want to turn the clock back to the time of Mohammed and force everyone to live as we did in the 6th/7th/8th Century.

Re:Meanwhile, in Syria... (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 7 months ago | (#45937313)

That sounds reasonable, since Afghanistan and Pakistan are the main places that still have Polio, and fighters from those countries have been going to Afghanistan.

This news makes FDR roll in his grave (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937181)

Get it? "roll"?

Now Only If Slashdot Freed Itself of BETA (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937195)

cause fark you for shoving me into beta pages.

Congrats to Rotary and Bill Gates... (1, Insightful)

shri (17709) | about 7 months ago | (#45937207)

As much as everyone likes to hate Bill Gates - India and a number of other countries owe him (and the global Rotary community) for helping in this effort. More on End Polio [endpolio.org] .

Re:Congrats to Rotary and Bill Gates... (2)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 7 months ago | (#45937229)

As much as everyone likes to hate Bill Gates - India and a number of other countries owe him (and the global Rotary community) for helping in this effort. More on End Polio [endpolio.org] .

I don't necessarily disagree... but this effort predates the founding of the Gates Foundation by a few decades. We were hearing about efforts to eradicate Polio back in the 1970s!

Re:Congrats to Rotary and Bill Gates... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937349)

that is definitely true. however you would still just be hearing about "Efforts" rather than success if it wasn't for people like him. many thousands of people have huge hearts and great intentions but sadly it still takes a huge bucket load of money and co-ordination to achieve something like this.

not enough MS articles today? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937371)

Matthew 6:3

"Instruction about Giving

â¦2"So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 3"But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so that your giving will be in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you."

Re:not enough MS articles today? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937425)

I could not give a shit whether they are giving from the goodness of their hearts or because they see a potential tax dodge and are trying to buy their way into heaven. All that matters is they have given and for that I thank them, the intent behind there generosity is irrelevant to me and to the millions of lives they have saved.

Re:not enough MS articles today? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937593)

what a sad petty life you must lead to think that the people being saved

Briiliant !!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937213)

Well done India

Macro vs Micro world (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937223)

Humans may thing that they can control the macro world, the world we perceive with our eyes, but things out of view, the micro, the small, out of our view is not perceived to us entirely, and SHALL show it is their from time to time. Never underestimate life finding a way to persist, especially infectious diseases!

At constant risk (2, Interesting)

Chrisq (894406) | about 7 months ago | (#45937297)

India will still be at constant risk. This modern secular country is right next to a muzzy hell-hole where attacks on polio workers [bbc.co.uk] are frequent [thenational.ae] . Among the many other things that Islam forbids they have now decided that polio vaccines are unislamic [indianexpress.com] .

yet again this (literally) diabolical 'religion' brings death and suffering to the world.

Re:At constant risk (4, Funny)

Sockatume (732728) | about 7 months ago | (#45937449)

Criticises religion, "literally" places blame on satan. :)

Re:At constant risk (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 7 months ago | (#45937627)

Luckily for them, the India-Pakistan border is already a heavily fortified one.

Oh sure, vaccinate them all! Ha (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937405)

From “Polio programme: let us declare victory and move on” by Neetu Vashisht and Jacob Puliyel at Medical Ethics http://www.issuesinmedicalethics.org/202co114.html:

“In 2011 there were an extra 47500 new cases of NPAFP [non-polio acute flaccid paralysis]. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Through this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated.”

Do they rushed vaccination of children in India and paralyzed 47k of them.

So everyone sheep in the line and get your vaccinations, only good things there. tools.

See the light? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937441)

Why did God striken children with polio? Why? Because the would have gone to hell anyway is why. Better to get them before they do the devil's bidding.

Only time will tell (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937491)

The virus itself will not be gone for a long time though. It can still be easily found even in the western world. For example in Finland there have been numerous cases of polio virus among wastewaters in the larger cities. We are safe only as long as the virus does not mutate beyond our current vaccines...

Re:Only time will tell (1)

gnoshi (314933) | about 7 months ago | (#45937699)

We are safe only as long as the virus does not mutate beyond our current vaccines...

(From my understand) a key part of making sure that it doesn't mutate is having everyone properly vaccinated. If people catch it and thus provide a place to replicate, it gives it more opportunity to mutate.
That said, I'm not a virologist.

NPAFP: It was name "polio" that was eradicated (0, Troll)

Nightlight3 (248096) | about 7 months ago | (#45937495)

Paper from: Indian J Med Ethics. 2012 Apr-Jun;9(2):114-7

Polio programme: let us declare victory and move on [nih.gov]

"while India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a huge increase in non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP). In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Though this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated. The principle of primum-non-nocere was violated. "

Re:NPAFP: It was name "polio" that was eradicated (2)

gnoshi (314933) | about 7 months ago | (#45937649)

Yeah, I knew someone would bring up that one guy who wrote a paper in the Indian medical ethics journal which contained no data to substantiate the claims.
Of course, you could look at another paper discussing polio vaccination and surveillance in India [nih.gov] which says that "[t]he programme [of polio vaccination] includes surveillance of acute flaccid paralysis (AFP) to detect and diagnose cases of polio at early stage. Under this surveillance, over 40,000 cases of AFP are reported annually since 2007 regardless of the number of actual polio cases".
Could it be that perhaps the correlation between vaccination and NPAFP was because the surveillance was part of the vaccination programme and the temporal relationship was not inherently vaccination -> NFAFP.

So maybe it is time to, as the paper suggests, move the fuck on.

Vimax Pills (-1, Troll)

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endangered species (1)

Tom (822) | about 7 months ago | (#45937623)

Finally an entry on the extinct species list that we can actually be proud of.

Polio is one nasty disease and its (almost) eradication is one of the bravest examples of human accomplishment and proof of what things our grandparents thought impossible we can achieve if we work together for a change.

Unfortunately, once again, religion is the final obstacle in mankinds road to a better world. If they create an eradication of religion program next, sign me up.

Quietnet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45937641)

Quietnet: Simple chat program using near ultrasonic frequencies.

"Simple chat program using near ultrasonic frequencies. Works without Wifi or Bluetooth and won't show up in a pcap.

Note: If you can clearly hear the send script working then your speakers may not be high quality enough to produce sounds in the near ultrasonic range.
Usage

run python send.py in one terminal window and python listen.py in another. Text you input into the send.py window should appear (after a delay) in the listen.py window.

Warning: May annoy some animals and humans."[1]

https://github.com/Katee/quietnet [github.com]
[1] https://kate.io/ [kate.io]

Sounds like a job for Jenny McCarthy (1)

frrrp (720185) | about 7 months ago | (#45937723)

Boom times ahead for Indian antivaxxers
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