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Extinct Species of Early Human Survived On Grass Bulbs, Not Meat

samzenpus posted about 7 months ago | from the eat-em-if-you-got-em dept.

Science 318

Philip Ross writes "Fresh analysis of an extinct relative of humans suggests our ancient ancestors dined primarily on tiger nuts, which are edible grass bulbs, settling a discrepancy over what made up prehistoric diets. According to a new study published in the journal PLOS One, the strong-jawed ancient hominin known as Paranthropus boisei, nicknamed 'Nutcracker Man,' which roamed East Africa between 2.4 million and 1.4 million years ago, survived on a diet scientists previously thought implausible."

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What's next - tiger penis? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45931727)

But aren't tiger nuts an animal .... product?

Animal penis a delicacy in Africa, India, Asia. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45931821)

All joking aside, animal penises are widely eaten in Africa, India, and other Asian nations. They're considered a delicacy there, and are highly sought after by the rich and poor alike. This is particularly true of the elephant penis, which is large enough to feed a family for several days (thus appealing to the poor), but also quite rare and succulent (appealing to the rich).

They generally use the entire penis, but you can get different "cuts" of it in some areas, much like a North American or British butcher will give you different cuts of a cow or pig. If you have a hankering for just the glans of a horse penis, you can get it and snack on it. If you want just the shaft of a dog, you can get that, too. In some markets, there are specialized vendors of certain types of penises, and even certain cuts of certain animal penises. It can be a highly specialized industry in some cases.

Some people even eat the penises thinking that it'll increase their virility. After all, if a man manages to eat all 48 inches of an elephant's penis, it must mean he's quite a robust man, does it not?

Re:Animal penis a delicacy in Africa, India, Asia. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45931907)

animal penises are widely eaten in Africa, India, and other Asian nations. They're considered a delicacy there

Me Chinese
Me play joke
Me say everything vile is "delicacy"

Re:Animal penis a delicacy in Africa, India, Asia. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45931951)

After all, if a man manages to eat all 48 inches of an elephant's penis, it must mean he's quite a robust man, does it not

No, it just shows what a big cocksucker he really is.

Re:Animal penis a delicacy in Africa, India, Asia. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932287)

Elephant penis is prehensile.

We need a crash project to sequence that DNA, put it into a virus and add that feature to living humans.

Re:Animal penis a delicacy in Africa, India, Asia. (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about 7 months ago | (#45932547)

don't need all that fancy DNA, billions could be made on a virus that only need deliver the "bigger"

Re: Animal penis a delicacy in Africa, India, Asia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932391)

I am from India and never ever heard of Elephant penis being delicacy!! Where do you get your facts?

Re: Animal penis a delicacy in Africa, India, Asia (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | about 7 months ago | (#45932549)

Probably from the ex-wife of the bull elephant?

Birmingham, England is NOT in India. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932597)

You're from Birmingham. While it may seem like it's India, it's actually in England. In England, people typically don't eat penises. They aren't completely a third-world culture just yet, so at least some of them realize that eating the gonads and genitals of beasts of burden is not a sensible thing to do.

And that's why they're extinct (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45931729)

Tiger nuts? Grass bulbs?

Re:And that's why they're extinct (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45931767)

If they're extinct, then they didn't survive on anything, did they?

Re:And that's why they're extinct (1)

Z00L00K (682162) | about 7 months ago | (#45932647)

And if they are extinct - maybe it's because their diet was too specialized?

It's a relatively common factor that a species that goes extinct is too specialized. Of course there are other factors involved too.

Re:And that's why they're extinct (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45931789)

50,000 years from now a new study will be published that claims extinct homo sapiens lived on diets of Tofurkey and Rice Cakes.

Next article.

Re:And that's why they're extinct (1)

dotancohen (1015143) | about 7 months ago | (#45931815)

Tiger nuts? Grass bulbs?

You laugh, but I just recently ate Matzo balls in soup.

Re: And that's why they're extinct (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45931849)

Tiger nuts are still part of the diet in Valencia, Spain: ground up to make a drink called orxata.

Tiger nuts? Not meat? (4, Funny)

erroneus (253617) | about 7 months ago | (#45931731)

Come on... it's funny and you know it.

But okay. Humanoids who didn't eat meat, didn't make the evolutionary cut.

Take THAT "vegetarians."

Re:Tiger nuts? Not meat? (4, Informative)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | about 7 months ago | (#45931773)

The paleo movement is frustrating for anthropologists. Humans ate pretty much whatever they could get their grubby little hands on: meat, nuts, edible leaves, roots, fruit, etc. We did eat quite a bit of plants, though. Mostly because they didn't run away.

Vegans who insist we're herbivores are equally frustrating, however.

Re:Tiger nuts? Not meat? (3, Insightful)

elfprince13 (1521333) | about 7 months ago | (#45931803)

Indeed. Humans are the best long distance runners on the planet, and we evolved that way so that we could chase our prey until they died of exhaustion.

Re:Tiger nuts? Not meat? (4, Funny)

PsychoSlashDot (207849) | about 7 months ago | (#45931881)

Indeed. Humans are the best long distance runners on the planet, and we evolved that way so that we could chase our prey until they died of exhaustion.

I thought we evolved that way so that Reebok could sell us new shoes. Huh.

Re:Tiger nuts? Not meat? (5, Funny)

JanneM (7445) | about 7 months ago | (#45932005)

Humans are the best long distance runners on the planet, and we evolved that way so that we could chase our prey until they died of exhaustion.

You wouldn't believe the stamina of an onion on the chase. No wonder our forefathers could run so well.

Re:Tiger nuts? Not meat? (4, Funny)

Larryish (1215510) | about 7 months ago | (#45932445)

I dreamed I was a dinosaur
A mighty fearsome beast
All day I'd run and hunt for fun
On weaker beasts I'd feast

Then I thought "I am a man,
the fiercest beast of all"
And then I went and hunted down
A giant pretzel at the mall.

Re:Tiger nuts? Not meat? (2)

kamapuaa (555446) | about 7 months ago | (#45932421)

Wow, by any chance did you read "Born to Run"??? Because long distance runners are the ones saying persistence hunting is a thing. Most scientists aren't.

Persistence hunting is impossible in anything but big open fields, and precludes the idea of humans working together in camps (nobody's dragging an antelope back 20 miles). Humans get foot injuries easily.

Equal opportunity murderer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45931809)

That's why I eat bananas, apples, oranges, kiwifruit, various salads, carrots, tomatoes, peanuts every day, alongside my delicious, delicious meat.

Heterotrophs Unite! (1)

Hartree (191324) | about 7 months ago | (#45932683)

Why just steal calories from animals? Spread the suffering to those dratted plants as well! :)

Re:Tiger nuts? Not meat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45931897)

The paleo movement is frustrating for anthropologists. Humans ate pretty much whatever they could get their grubby little hands on: meat, nuts, edible leaves, roots, fruit, etc.

How is it frustrating? The diet you describe is basically the modern paleo diet.

Re:Tiger nuts? Not meat? (1, Interesting)

KingOfBLASH (620432) | about 7 months ago | (#45931997)

You should do some more research into the Paleo diet before posting such nonsense.

Most of it is about avoiding foods that your ancestors 100 years ago, and perhaps 10,000 years ago would not define as food (depending on how strict you are).

Highly processed foods (e.g. twinkies) very rarely end up being healthy for you, and often contain ingredients your body has not evolved to digest. Case in point: high fructose corn syrup. The pathway for your body to get rid of it involves directly converting it into fat in your liver. Burn enough fat you may be OK eating that twinkie, but in general, it's healthier to avoid.

In addition, there are more strict versions of paleo that avoid things like pasta and bread because, while perhaps not as bad for you as a twinkie, there is some evidence that it's not processed by your body as efficiently as meats and veggies.

The interesting thing is if you actually read a book on Paleo they'll point out the grey areas. For instance, we evolved to drink milk some 100,000 years ago. Depending on your background, you may be more or less able to handle milk.

Re:Tiger nuts? Not meat? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932219)

"Not evolved to digest". Appeal to nature fallacy! [wikipedia.org]

Also please stop using computers. Man's eyes were not evolved to read computer screens and mankind's fingers were not evolved to used keyboards.

Re:Tiger nuts? Not meat? (2)

KingOfBLASH (620432) | about 7 months ago | (#45932293)

Well like it or not the pathways your body uses to process and digest food ARE the results of natural evolution.

And as I evolved to be a hunter, probably sitting on my ass in front of a computer every day has resulted in my being over weight (even if I go to the gym for an hour, I just can't undue the damage of not being active).

Humans need to have a better feel for what their bodies are designed for. Little things like standing up while in front of a computer can help you be healthier and feed better.

It's not about outlawing things like computers because they're "unnatural"

Or, you can come up with a pill / treatment that will allow me to counteract the fact that I'm living a sedentary lifestyle.

I'm open to either one :D

Re:Tiger nuts? Not meat? (4, Interesting)

mcgrew (92797) | about 7 months ago | (#45932385)

I sit in front of my computer all day, too, but I've never had a weight problem. If anything, I have a problem keeping it on. Of course, I drink water all day rather than soda, and when I eat at a restaurant I usually take half the meal home because it's just way too much food.

As to the anonymous idiot you responded to who said "Man's eyes were not evolved to read computer screens and mankind's fingers were not evolved to used keyboards," what a moron. Computer screens and keyboards were designed to work with the fingers and eyes we evolved. HFCS wasn't.

Re:Tiger nuts? Not meat? (1)

KingOfBLASH (620432) | about 7 months ago | (#45932423)

You may be blessed with great genetics. Feel lucky LOL

Re:Tiger nuts? Not meat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932011)

You know, we, carnivores, when we say we also can and ENJOY eating meat dont do anything unnatural. It's one of reasons our specie survived that long.
Now we have proovs that vegetarians didn't make it...

Re:Tiger nuts? Not meat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932095)

but now that there are 6 billion humans, eating whatever without regard to efficiency might not be scalable.

Re:Tiger nuts? Not meat? (1)

erroneus (253617) | about 7 months ago | (#45932443)

Yes and a huge number of them suffering and dying of nutrition related illnesses. We have massive morbid obesity and massive diabetes. We have massive other problems related to the chemicals we use to kill pests of all sorts including plants, insects, varmints and more. It's insane how bad our modern food actually is.

hot grits are vegetarian (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932137)

hey, man. that's like, you know. your opinion. man.
and did you know that HOT GRITS are veggie?

And Yet ... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45931739)

And yet current relatives of humans in Colorado are trying to survive on grass buds. How will it end? Only the evolution of our laws and the "war on drugs" will tell.

They foraged for 2-3 hours per day (1)

oscrivellodds (1124383) | about 7 months ago | (#45931751)

What did they do with the rest of their day?

Re:They foraged for 2-3 hours per day (5, Funny)

c0lo (1497653) | about 7 months ago | (#45931777)

What did they do with the rest of their day?

Not (enough) sex, otherwise they wouldn't be extinct

Re:They foraged for 2-3 hours per day (3, Funny)

rmdingler (1955220) | about 7 months ago | (#45931827)

Extinct, you say?

Whew.

If the prerequisite hurdle for reproduction includes a steady diet of tiger nuts, I, for one, an quite certainly glad those bad motherfskerers aren't around to compete with for mates.

Re:They foraged for 2-3 hours per day (4, Insightful)

arashi no garou (699761) | about 7 months ago | (#45931859)

They survived 1,000,000 years. We've been going at it for 200,000 years or so, and we're constantly at risk of killing ourselves off en masse. I'd say they did a lot better than we are doing on the species survival front.

Re:They foraged for 2-3 hours per day (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932085)

and we're constantly at risk of killing ourselves off en masse.

Even when we kill our selves en mass, which we have been doing basically since the begin of documented history (wars, genocide, mass starvations caused by incompetent leadership, etc.) the human population continues to grow.

I'd say they did a lot better than we are doing on the species survival front.

Hard to say until we reach one million years and that is likely as long as we do not kill of the whole planet.

Re:They foraged for 2-3 hours per day (1)

TheloniousToady (3343045) | about 7 months ago | (#45932471)

Don't worry: regardless of how we screw things up, ants will remain.

Re:They foraged for 2-3 hours per day (5, Funny)

Nidi62 (1525137) | about 7 months ago | (#45931903)

What did they do with the rest of their day?

Probably proselytize to their meat-eating neighbors about how their vegetarian diet is superior.

Re:They foraged for 2-3 hours per day (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932123)

What did they do with the rest of their day?

Probably proselytize to their meat-eating neighbors about how their vegetarian diet is superior.

Who got fed up with hearing that crap that they killed them off... :)

Re:They foraged for 2-3 hours per day (1)

koan (80826) | about 7 months ago | (#45931923)

With that diet I imagine they had to graze all day long, very little time for anything else.

Re:They foraged for 2-3 hours per day (1)

overshoot (39700) | about 7 months ago | (#45931987)

What did they do with the rest of their day?

First aid.

Re:They foraged for 2-3 hours per day (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932109)

What did they do with the rest of their day?

Foraging strategy meetings, foraging progress updates, foraging brainstorming sessions... really it's amazing they could set aside 2-3 hours a day for the actual foraging. You'd never get productivity like that these days.

Re:They foraged for 2-3 hours per day (3, Funny)

TheloniousToady (3343045) | about 7 months ago | (#45932459)

They scrawled graffiti on public rocks. We humanoids haven't evolved much since then.

Extinct species survived (4, Funny)

c0lo (1497653) | about 7 months ago | (#45931763)

seem to me they didn't survive well enough

Re: Extinct species survived (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45931795)

You act as if they were born and went extinct over night, I'm sure they lived fine, probably died because of the climate considering that's what they relied on in order to get food.

Re: Extinct species survived (1)

kenh (9056) | about 7 months ago | (#45932273)

probably died because of the climate considering that's what they relied on in order to get food.

Thankfully, our current food sources are not dependent on the climate.

Seriously?!

Re:Extinct species survived (1, Insightful)

mordors9 (665662) | about 7 months ago | (#45931819)

It seems like part of the (vegan) scientific community is desperate to show early man were herbivores, to tell us we must return to your roots...

Re:Extinct species survived (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932245)

No more so than the far more desperate folks here on slashdot who are ferociously denying it. The only difference is that the vegans are using actual science to make their point while folks like you are using... pretty much nothing but empty rhetoric.

Re:Extinct species survived (1)

sumdumass (711423) | about 7 months ago | (#45932619)

Here, I will help you out and let you use religious rhetoric also. Before the biblical flood, everyone and everything , was a vegan. So strike one up for science I guess. err.. something like that.

Historical Epidemiology: (0)

Hartree (191324) | about 7 months ago | (#45932659)

"No more so than the far more desperate folks here on slashdot who are ferociously denying it."

I bow before your certainty that you are the smart clued in one and everyone else is the dimwitted fool who will pay the cost at their death. (Funny how that sounds so similar to fundy Christians)

I do wonder where those extremely long lived and far more healthy vegans throughout history are. They seem to have hidden themselves very well among the miserable sick and dying everyone else whose average lifespan has increased over the past century.

Re:Extinct species survived (-1, Flamebait)

Tailhook (98486) | about 7 months ago | (#45932323)

Yes, since 50 years now. Just noticing?

One, now extinct, vegan subspecies will be trumpeted throughout the western world as evidence of our foolish diets and a as crucial imperative our which we must wrap our public policy. Vegans and warmists have a fresh new outlier to cite. The fact that it appears to be an evolutionary dead end will be discounted or ignored.

Primitive humans throughout the world manufactured vast quantities of weapons; one of the best and most ubiquitous indicators of human habitation are deposits of stone tips for projectiles or spears. Those weapons weren't used to kill plants or carcasses. They were used to hunt fresh meat or fight other humans or both. Which is it?

We all know the answer. Yet we must play these games, foisting our bullshit one each other, trying to support the hipster, metro-sexual malcontent anti-anything-bigger-than-a-hobby-farm world view.

I'm going to a gun range today. When I'm done I'm going to get a burger. So fuck you and your extinct vegan hobbits.

Re:Extinct species survived (1)

Concerned Onlooker (473481) | about 7 months ago | (#45932447)

"There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Akpa Sprey Poliüretan (-1, Offtopic)

akpaizolasyon (3497135) | about 7 months ago | (#45931791)

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Not an ancestor (5, Informative)

Somebody Is Using My (985418) | about 7 months ago | (#45931845)

A somewhat minor nitpick, but...

It is generally thought that Paranthropus bosei is an /offshoot/ of the line that ultimately led to modern man, not a direct ancestor. We share ancestors, but do not descend from his line. The two lines diverged about 3 million years ago to follow their own evolutionary paths - homo towards an omnivorous diet and world domination, panthropus to munching on nuts and extinction.

He was a relative, not an ancestor.

and not a grass (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45931939)

sedges are not grass. they're a much more ancient group.
i'd link to wiki, but the are useless on the subject.

Re:Not an ancestor (0)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | about 7 months ago | (#45932045)

>> world domination [youtube.com]

Re:Not an ancestor (4, Insightful)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | about 7 months ago | (#45932257)

A somewhat minor nitpick, but...

It is generally thought that Paranthropus bosei is an /offshoot/ of the line that ultimately led to modern man, not a direct ancestor. We share ancestors, but do not descend from his line. The two lines diverged about 3 million years ago to follow their own evolutionary paths - homo towards an omnivorous diet and world domination, panthropus to munching on nuts and extinction.

He was a relative, not an ancestor.

Plus it is pretty iffy to base too many conclusions on a handful of skeletons (or in the case of such old homonids it's usually skeletal fragments). If archaeologists of the future only had five 20th century human skeletons available that were all found in the general area that used to be New York they might conclude that most humans of the 20th century were over weight and lived off a meat rich diet. If those five skeletons came from the horn of Africa they would conclude that during the 20th century the human race suffered from frequent famines. If the five skeletons came from the graveyard of a vegan colony they'd conclude humans of the 20th century were predominantly vegan. If the discoveries in Dmanisi, Georgia [rt.com] have taught us anything it is that one should not base too many sweeping conclusions on a handful of samples.
http://rt.com/news/skull-homo-georgia-species-373/ [rt.com]

Re:Not an ancestor (1)

nschubach (922175) | about 7 months ago | (#45932475)

I have to wonder as well if the diet contributed to the survivability of the bone in the fossilization process.

Re:Not an ancestor (4, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | about 7 months ago | (#45932677)

You only need to go back 200 years before we had anything like modern refrigeration and the food had to be very fresh and very local. Most people were subsistance farmers, meaning they primarily ate what they produced. If you had game, you ate game and if you didn't, you didn't. If you had a river or lake nearby with fish you ate fish, if not you didn't. If barley grew better than wheat, you ate barley. Your diet was defined by your surroundings.

Re:Not an ancestor (1)

ra25093 (2811813) | about 7 months ago | (#45932275)

It's not really minor, considering the premise of the article is "[this] suggests our ancient ancestors dined primarily on tiger nuts." I've already seen this article posted in an attempt to debunk the paleo diet, but this species' diet really has no more bearing on what we should/shouldn't eat than, say, a modern chimpanzee. Which isn't to say any of the widely varied forms of paleo diet are or are not close to what direct ancestors ate or are or are not a good diet for modern humans, just that this doesn't suggest one way or another.

A blow to vegetarians (0, Troll)

iONiUM (530420) | about 7 months ago | (#45931861)

Since this vegetarian offshoot of man went extinct, and the omnivorous one thrived, I can draw the conclusion that being a vegetarian is bad for the longevity of the species, and thus wrong.

Re:A blow to vegetarians (2, Funny)

KingOfBLASH (620432) | about 7 months ago | (#45932013)

...being a vegetarian is bad for the longevity of the species, and thus wrong.

Humans did not evolve to be vegetarians. Vegetarians and particularly vegans will end up needing to take supplements of some vitamins found solely in meat (e.g. vitamin B12).

Re:A blow to vegetarians (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932081)

humans did not evolve to be vegetarians is a nonsense statement. evolution implies there is no intent.

[citation needed] on the supplements.

i've been a vegetarian for 26 years. i do not take supplements. for many years i biked up to 100 miles a day, including a 3100 mile month. now it could be, i'm a stan lee superhuman, but i doubt it.

my personal suspicion is that like other areas in dietary research, there's a lot of self-affirming bullshit floating around.

Re:A blow to vegetarians (0)

KingOfBLASH (620432) | about 7 months ago | (#45932171)

I know as a girl I was seeing for a bit of time was a vegetarian. She used to take shots of wheat grass juice every on a regular basis as it contained some of the missing B vitamins. Depending on how you're doing the vegetarian thing, you might not be getting sick (e.g. if you are actively eating wheat grass).

But it's not sufficient to simply stop eating meat, you need to make sure your diet covers appropriate vitamins and minerals as well.

And there are citations....

first link on google :

http://www.vegansociety.com/lifestyle/nutrition/b12.aspx [vegansociety.com]

google results :

https://www.google.nl/search?q=b12+supplement+for+vegetarian&oq=b12+supplements+for+ve&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l5.6627j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=119&ie=UTF-8 [google.nl]

Re:A blow to vegetarians (3, Insightful)

guises (2423402) | about 7 months ago | (#45932317)

You seem to be implying that meat consumption means that you don't have to pay attention to what you eat. Really, it just seems like your girlfriend was more conscientious about her diet than you were. Which maybe isn't that surprising - being vegan implies that you're paying attention to what you eat.

Re:A blow to vegetarians (2, Interesting)

KingOfBLASH (620432) | about 7 months ago | (#45932457)

No, actually not. The paleo diet stresses it's not just eating meat that's healthy, but healthy cuts of meat.

Our ancestors would have slaughtered and killed a buffalo that had spent it's days running around all the time.

Modern humans eat a cow that's been force fed grain to make it fatter.

One is healthier then the other. And certainly eating grass fed beef is both delicious and more healthy.

The problem (and the reason I am no longer paleo) is the difficulty it really is to be "healthy." Pretty much if you're not rich you're fucked. And forget about going out to a restaurant and getting something to eat.

Re:A blow to vegetarians (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932279)

You mean vegans, more precisely. Vegetarians usually (not always) eat animal products which do not involve slaughter of the animal, such as eggs & cheese -- both of which supply B12. The body only needs an extremely small ammount of B12, the smallest amount of any vitamin.

Anyhow, until vegans evolve away from the requirement for B12, or go extinct, it's really not hard for them to get enough from commonly B12 fortified products. Much tofu, nutritional yeast, and other common vegan ingredients are fortified with non-animal sources of B12.

Re:A blow to vegetarians (1)

dugancent (2616577) | about 7 months ago | (#45932339)

B12 is available in eggs, milk and cheese. I'm a vegetarian, take no supplements and am not deficient.

Re:A blow to vegetarians (2, Informative)

mcgrew (92797) | about 7 months ago | (#45932433)

Milk, cheese, and eggs are all animal products. Vegans wouldn't touch them.

Re:A blow to vegetarians (2)

nschubach (922175) | about 7 months ago | (#45932489)

That's the difference between a Vegan and a Vegetarian...

Re:A blow to vegetarians (4, Interesting)

dugancent (2616577) | about 7 months ago | (#45932511)

True. My girlfriend is vegan and she takes B12 supplements, which is fine by me. The way I see it, it's much more environmentally friendly to produce a B12 tablet then it is to grow, slaughter and cook an animal.

Re:A blow to vegetarians (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932345)

Vegetarians and particularly vegans will end up needing to take supplements

Seeing as a huge number of vegetarians live healthily for years without supplements, [citation needed]

Re:A blow to vegetarians (4, Informative)

stenvar (2789879) | about 7 months ago | (#45932577)

You can get B12 from fermented foods, milk products, eggs, and algae. In fact, it's not even produced by animals, only by bacteria.

Re:A blow to vegetarians (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932049)

bullshit.

look, if you want to eat meat for emotional reasons, that's fine. but
please admit it. i'm going to assume that you decided to eat meat
long before this article, so i can accuse this argument of
- ex post hoc reasoning
- cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

also, since you seem to be treating this as an (uncontrolled) scientific
experiment, you have no null hypothesis. so this "study" is meaningless.
we can't show that it was diet and not some other factor.

Re:A blow to vegetarians (2)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 7 months ago | (#45932177)

This proves it: Vegetarism damages your humour. ;-)

Re:A blow to vegetarians (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932175)

I have some shocking evolutionary news for you.... *every* ancestor of homo sapiens is now extinct, regardless of what they ate.

Re:A blow to vegetarians (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932211)

I'm eating a dolphin sandwich right now.

Re:A blow to vegetarians (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932409)

Your mom gives a blow to vegetarians.

oblg. Charlie Sheen (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45931891)

Only Charlie Sheen dines on tiger nuts! /Winning!/

When we are extinct (4, Insightful)

jafiwam (310805) | about 7 months ago | (#45931893)

We will be said to have dined primarily on high fructose corn syrup.

Somehow I think there's going to be some big holes in what they actually do "know" about what those folks ate.

Re:When we are extinct (1)

dbarron (286) | about 7 months ago | (#45931965)

Well, given the diet of the young in the last 20 or 30 years...I think HFCS is the correct analysis. The future beings will assume we were like hummingbirds.

Vegans Went Extinct (0)

pubwvj (1045960) | about 7 months ago | (#45931927)

So they were vegans and missed out on the good stuff that helped our ancestors. Extinction happens. Be a winner. Eat meat.

Eat Meat! (1, Funny)

csumpi (2258986) | about 7 months ago | (#45931933)

Eat Meat or Die!

Now scientifically proven.

.

nut eater versus meat eater (0)

strstr (539330) | about 7 months ago | (#45932029)

Meat eaters are naturally more murderous and capable of defense than nut eaters.

I am sure nut eating leads to a more peaceful less conflict path of life, .. can't say why it went extinct, probably evolved and mixed in with everything else, or got overthrown by new breads.

I don't think meat eaters are superior, .. we just got to where we needed to dominate first. Doesn't mean we were genetically superior or intelligently superior, we were just more advantageous and overpowering perhaps.. It's sad because we'd even kill off other superior races and branchs of the DNA in the process, stifling evolutionary process just for our own survival...

I object (-1, Troll)

mapkinase (958129) | about 7 months ago | (#45932061)

I object my tax dollars going to support this kind of crap studies.

Re:I object (3, Funny)

bruce_the_loon (856617) | about 7 months ago | (#45932325)

Since your comment history strongly suggests you are American and the study was carried out by paleoanthropologists from Oxford University, I can safely say you have no need to be concerned about your tax dollars funding this research.

Re:I object (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932355)

You missed the poop joke...

Re:I object (0)

mapkinase (958129) | about 7 months ago | (#45932657)

There are international grants?

Re:I object (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932349)

Since when did American taxes support universities in Spain?

Re:I object (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about 7 months ago | (#45932467)

What in the hell is an anti-science dimwit doing at a nerd site?? You just come here to troll?

I guess you'd rather use that money to bomb foreigners and spy on Americans?

evolution rules (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932149)

Wow, where are all the evolution apologists which pop out of the woodwork when some vaguly creationist/ID topic is raised. The level of ignorance as to the mechanisms and logic of evolution shown in most of these comments is terrible... as bad as, if not worse (in a way, that these people *should* know better), creationist/ID nonsense.

How can we be sure... (1)

kenh (9056) | about 7 months ago | (#45932253)

...that they weren't crushed by the dinosaurs [icr.org] ?

Anybody else notice... (-1)

Ronin Developer (67677) | about 7 months ago | (#45932425)

That the vegetarians are EXTINCT??? Man is meant to eat meat. And, please, no comments regarding eating penises...elephant or otherwise!

The early Earth sounds like Ringworld (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45932497)

So many different hominids separated by vast distances.

Survived? (1)

PPH (736903) | about 7 months ago | (#45932685)

I think the key word here is "extinct".

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