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Panoramic Picture Taken By China's Moon Lander

timothy posted about 7 months ago | from the ok-but-where's-the-starbucks? dept.

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Taco Cowboy writes "Perhaps it's not much, but China has released a panoramic view of the moonscape where their lander has landed. They 'stitched' up some 60 photos taken by 3 cameras on the Chang'e 3 lander, taken from 3 different angles — Vertical, 15 degrees up, and 15 degrees down. From the picture, there is a significant sized crater is seen, several meters wide, off to the left of Yutu, the (jade rabbit) moon rover, and located only about 10 meters away from the Chang'e-3 lander."

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It's 2013 (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45787363)

And this is the best image quality their chosen on-board imaging device can deliver?

Re:It's 2013 (3, Funny)

Bradmont (513167) | about 7 months ago | (#45787383)

Yea, like, couldn't they, like, just stick an iPhone on that thing, LOL?!?

Re:It's 2013 (2)

DrPBacon (3044515) | about 7 months ago | (#45787401)

Well...? Why couldn't they...?

Re:It's 2013 (5, Funny)

mwissel (869864) | about 7 months ago | (#45787423)

Because it won't have signal up there, stupid.

Re:It's 2013 (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 7 months ago | (#45787463)

There's a standard response to that. Know what it is?

Re:It's 2013 (1)

i_ate_god (899684) | about 7 months ago | (#45787515)

I do, it's "hehe"

because it was kinda funny

Re:It's 2013 (2)

Joce640k (829181) | about 7 months ago | (#45788129)

They bolted it to the chassis wrong?

Re:It's 2013 (2)

vikingpower (768921) | about 7 months ago | (#45787431)

Ever heard of hard radiation ? Any consumer-grede device would only survive for minutes up there.

Re:It's 2013 (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 7 months ago | (#45788131)

It's a funny son, laugh.

Re:It's 2013 (2, Interesting)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | about 7 months ago | (#45788393)

Seems to me that the nano/micro-sat [npr.org] crowd [treehugger.com] is demonstrating [discovermagazine.com] that to not really be as much of an issue.

Re:It's 2013 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45788449)

Seems to me that the nano/micro-sat [npr.org] crowd [treehugger.com] is demonstrating [discovermagazine.com] that to not really be as much of an issue.

Don't distort his reality anymore by showing him the truth!

Re:It's 2013 (3, Informative)

cusco (717999) | about 7 months ago | (#45789181)

Those are mostly operating below the Van Allen belts, aren't they? There's no such protection on the moon.

Re:It's 2013 (1)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | about 7 months ago | (#45791987)

It was my understanding that the Van Allen belts were a consequence of Earth's magnetic field deflecting particles. They're not a source of protection just the deflected stream of radiation. There have even been proposals to discharge and remove [wikipedia.org] the belts.

Re:It's 2013 (1)

Stan92057 (737634) | about 7 months ago | (#45790115)

too cold

Re:It's 2013 (1)

abhi_beckert (785219) | about 7 months ago | (#45787437)

They could but an iPhone is very heavy so it would add something like $20,000 to the cost of the launch.

Every gram is critical.

Re:It's 2013 (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45787583)

Yup, I did the calculations and it would be very close to $20,000. The weight of the device would add ~$10 to the total cost of fuel required, plus $100 to buy the iPhone itself and $19,890 over 2 years for the contract to get an iPhone subsidised down to $100 in the first place.

Re:It's 2013 (5, Funny)

number6x (626555) | about 7 months ago | (#45787745)

You left out the roaming charges.

Re:It's 2013 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45790449)

Roving charges, in this case.

Re:It's 2013 (5, Funny)

Alsee (515537) | about 7 months ago | (#45791153)

Those roaming charges are going to be....
astronomical.

-

Re:It's 2013 (2)

kimvette (919543) | about 7 months ago | (#45788907)

They did, but they have no signal because the rover is holding it wrong.

Re:It's 2013 (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about 7 months ago | (#45789995)

There actually was an Iphone on board, the problem is the robot was "holding it wrong"

Re:It's 2013 (1)

quenda (644621) | about 7 months ago | (#45791771)

Now that you mention it, it looks just like the picture quality from a Huawei or ZTE phone.

Re:It's 2013 (1)

citizenr (871508) | about 7 months ago | (#45787551)

looks like 3 NTSC cameras, or at best cellphone ones :/

Re:It's 2013 (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45787707)

Try it, it looks sharper if you squint your eyes.

Re:It's 2013 (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about 7 months ago | (#45790033)

thatsracist.jpg

Re:It's 2013 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45787779)

I don't see you delivering better images.

Re:It's 2013 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45788045)

Is is when the entire china moon landing was a fake.

Re:It's 2013 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45789093)

It was probably made in China.

Re:artifact (1)

hoboroadie (1726896) | about 7 months ago | (#45789429)

So that's not a comet near the horizon on the right of the image?
darn

that.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45790357)

and the false horizon

yes , the Chinese are in on the life on the moon secret, but then again, the Rothschilds financed the entire op anyways

Re:It's 2013 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45790383)

It's tough when you're transmitting from the far reaches of the Chinese desert.

Focus (1)

wooferhound (546132) | about 7 months ago | (#45787365)

Can't they focus that camera ?

Water discovered on the Moon! (4, Funny)

MachineShedFred (621896) | about 7 months ago | (#45787387)

It's right there, on the lens, blurring everything!

no news story? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45787395)

Is there news story you can link to? This is not news while there is no way of even checking if the summary matches the story.

Spacecraft just went to sleep (4, Informative)

mbone (558574) | about 7 months ago | (#45787413)

CCTV just announced [youtube.com] that the Sun has set at Mare Imbrium and the Chang'E lander and the Yutu rover both have gone to sleep for the night.

mickey (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45787417)

please return my mickey mouse webcam

NOT a Chinese released panorama (5, Informative)

mbone (558574) | about 7 months ago | (#45787429)

The image linked to is apparently from the Universe Today [universetoday.com] . As the linked article says :

To make it easier to see and sense ‘the new view from the Moon’, we have created screen shots from the rather low resolution TV broadcast and assembled them into a photo mosaic of the landing site - see above and below mosaic by Marco Di Lorenzo and Ken Kremer.

That's why it's fuzzy. It's screen scraped from a TV.

Re: NOT a Chinese released panorama (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45787481)

That's funny: I came here to ask if Chang'e was equipped with Apollo-era television cameras.

Re:NOT a Chinese released panorama (2, Interesting)

markdavis (642305) | about 7 months ago | (#45787705)

>That's why it's fuzzy. It's screen scraped from a TV.

Well, certainly doesn't look like any "TV" I have been watching for the last many years!

China- the 1950's called and would like their equipment back now, if you are done with it.

Re:NOT a Chinese released panorama (2)

mbone (558574) | about 7 months ago | (#45788849)

I imagine it was a std def broadcast.

Chang'E 3 has several cameras (as does the YuTu rover), following the MER standard of having "science," "navigation" and "hazard avoidance" cameras. One of the Lander camera pointing systems was designed in Hong Kong [phys.org] ; I suspect that system made these images.

Note - some of the published images were high-def (16:9 ?) and were just aired as 4:3 on the TV broadcasts, making the lander (to me) look squished on screen and screen-shots.

Re:NOT a Chinese released panorama (2)

CanEHdian (1098955) | about 7 months ago | (#45789393)

Chang'E 3 has several cameras (as does the YuTu rover)

The rover's cameras cannot be used following an emergency injunction order from YouTube for trademark infringement. :-)

Re:NOT a Chinese released panorama (5, Informative)

lolococo (574827) | about 7 months ago | (#45789835)

Well, in fact one of the commenters in this article linked to a set of much nicer pictures [xinhuanet.com]

Re:NOT a Chinese released panorama (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45791397)

Umm. Did you check out the EXIF data on that picture? Looks like the Chinese have faked their moon landing too. Not only was the picture taken with an iPhone 4S, it was also taken in Chongqing - Chinese equivalent of Hollywood.

Is this faked too? (5, Funny)

mu51c10rd (187182) | about 7 months ago | (#45787471)

Wow, the Gobi desert looks eerily familiar to the Nevada desert...

Re:Is this faked too? (2)

madhatter256 (443326) | about 7 months ago | (#45787667)

Or that studio out in Roswell where they shot the landings...

Re:Is this faked too? (1)

aldousd666 (640240) | about 7 months ago | (#45787941)

Yeah, I think I've seen this episode. It's a rerun.

Re:Is this faked too? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45787727)

Those are Ralph McQuarrie mat-paintings you insensitive clod!

Re:Is this faked too? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45791749)

So, not matte, or matt, but mat? Learn the difference, it's important because it means other people understand what you're attempting to say.

Clearly this has been Photoshopped. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45787669)

And I'm sure China didn't pay for the license.

Re:Clearly this has been Photoshopped. (2)

Roskolnikov (68772) | about 7 months ago | (#45788057)

Oh, they likely paid for one license..... and it is owned by the people :)

Re:Clearly this has been Photoshopped. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45791837)

Man, you make a great argument to go live in China actually

China Quality (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45787729)

Yeah, that's about what I would expect.

Huh (1, Insightful)

koan (80826) | about 7 months ago | (#45787849)

China's moon landing is a lot of ho hum, the real story here is they felt good about dropping the billions to go where we have already been (for no real purpose) while multitudes in their country starve and die.

The entire mission was a hood ornament for some politicians cock.

Re:Huh (3, Interesting)

rubycodez (864176) | about 7 months ago | (#45788021)

do you have any source for your claim that "multitudes" "starve and die", or did you make that nonsense up? Here's a fact for you, hunger rate in U.S. much higher than China

Re:Huh (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45788237)

Yeah, and I'm a Chinese jet pilot. They don't report real numbers, have vast problems with getting clean water and their nation has a serious problem with once fertile farmland turning to desert. If they had to drill a hole through a mountain to divert water flow just to feed a small army back in the empire building days, what makes you think I'm going to believe with so many more people that problem has just evaporated like their rivers?

Re:Huh (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about 7 months ago | (#45789743)

bullshit, you are native english speaking AC writing nonsense. you are not chinese

asdfasd (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45790165)

Taco Cowboy? Is that you?

Re:Huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45791935)

I think him saying he was a chinese jet pilot is him doing a bit of ironic lying to match the lying of governments, because I would hope at this point ppl realize governments sometimes lie.

Re:Huh (1)

wjcofkc (964165) | about 7 months ago | (#45790987)

China is in a strange place right now in their development. On the one hand, they have fully embraced the digital revolution. On the other hand they are in many respects where the United States was at from the mid-1800's through the early twentieth century industrial revolution where we had even more elite vs. little guy than we do now by far. 10 years olds working 12+hour days in textile sweatshops, railroad building as virtual slavery. A substantial amount of the greatness and luxury that we have now in the United States was built on a foundation of the blood, sweat, and tears of these downtrodden people that were badly abused, and taken advantage of and not cared for with basic needs like sanitation and clean water. Make no mistake about it: China will surpass these problems and catch up... fast.

Re:Huh (1)

koan (80826) | about 7 months ago | (#45788451)

I do, it's called Google.

Re:Huh (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about 7 months ago | (#45789753)

please provide link to the stories of those dying of starvation and malnutrition in China

that's one problem they have solved

Re:Huh (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45788895)

USA Hunger is a totally different measurement from world hunger and 3rd world hunger. It is literately based on asking kids the question, "In the last 12 months* where you hungry at any time?? " Now, just so everyone is clear hungry in the USA means that feeling you get when you've eaten everyday at 6pm and now your stomach rumbles because it's 6:15pm. It's caused by your body starting the digestive process and not actually getting food. Also the more you spike your blood sugar up and down the more of this "hunger" you will feel. Real Hunger is when you feel it in the throat and/or jaw bone and varies greatly in time after a meal due to diet and metabolism. I am sick of hearing about the number of "hungry kids" in the USA because I had I been ask if I was one of them I would have said yes yet I clear was facing an sort of real hunger. Mom was a Flight attendent and my dad sometimes work late shifts, I also would rather play Nintendo then eat when I felt 'hungry."

Not saying there aren't truly hungry kids in America who need a healthy and hearty meal.

Also, I've you ever known The Chinese Government to tell the truth when it makes them look bad.

*Might have the time frame wrong.

Re:Huh (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about 7 months ago | (#45789737)

have I known the U.S. government to tell the truth when it looks bad?

you're funny

Re:Huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45792553)

Hahaha you're so funny.
Everyone knows kids in USA are missing meals, only getting 2 meals a day and one of those is a school meal. China has no such problems. Sure theie houses are shitty and its sometimes crowded, but they have plenty to eat. Why do you think all the Liberals are complaining your food stamps are running out? Too many hungry poor people.

Re:Huh (1)

quenda (644621) | about 7 months ago | (#45791821)

do you have any source for your claim that "multitudes" "starve and die", or did you make that nonsense up?

Yup, saw it on Wikipedia. Millions starved as recently as ... 1961.

Re: Huh (1)

loufoque (1400831) | about 7 months ago | (#45788099)

Are you sure you know what China is? While they care less for human rights than other countries, it is one of the biggest economies in the world, and nearly all other economies are dependent on them.

Re: Huh (1)

HBI (604924) | about 7 months ago | (#45788257)

Are you sure you know what China is? While they care less for human rights than other countries, it is one of the biggest economies in the world, and nearly all other economies are dependent on them for cheap labor.

FTFY

Re: Huh (1)

koan (80826) | about 7 months ago | (#45788437)

Read a book.

Re: Huh (-1, Flamebait)

loufoque (1400831) | about 7 months ago | (#45788509)

Unlike you American, I read several books every week.

Re: Huh (1)

koan (80826) | about 7 months ago | (#45788705)

i can tell, you know China *so well* and you appear to know America even better. (sarcasm)

Re: Huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45789573)

So tell me, How IS Clifford the Big Red Dog doing now?

Re:Huh (4, Insightful)

cusco (717999) | about 7 months ago | (#45789243)

Chang'e-1, -2 and -3 **COMBINED** have cost about a billion dollars, or less than a dollar per Chinese citizen. The first two were orbiters/mappers, the third is the lander, all three have been complete successes so far. That war in Iraq that (IIRC) you were so enthusiastic about a few years ago? Cost of that is over $3,500 per US citizen. It was an utter failure.

Even if this was just propaganda I think the Chinese have gotten the better deal.

Re:Huh (2)

mbone (558574) | about 7 months ago | (#45789365)

And, Chang'E 2 then went on and flew by [planetary.org] Asteroid (4179) Toutatis, as a bonus, for a tiny fraction of the cost of a new spacecraft launch.

Scheduling that a few months in advance with a spacecraft that was not intended for deep space puts China up in the first ranks of spacefaring nations IMHO.

Re:Huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45790857)

You could have said that about the Apollo project, and you would be correct.
Apollo was total JFK/Kruschev big penis competition, on the backs of three dead astronauts (Grissom, White, Chaffee).
Even with the technology of the day, moon rocks could have been retrieved with unmanned systems.
Proof that Apollo was a stunt rather than any planned long term project? We never went back there even 40 years later.

At least the Chinese are using a safer and more COST conscious approach sending a robot instead of astronauts.

while multitudes in their country starve and die

cold fjord is that you?

Re:Huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45791959)

Depends. Did they gift billions to banks, who then foreclosed on houses after they'd sold the mortgages to two different companies? Are there no starving people in America? How many people could the money spent on invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan have fed, clothed, and provided adequate medical treatment for?

Guess China aren't alone in wasting their money, then.

Re:Huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45791981)

China's moon landing is a lot of ho hum, the real story here is they felt good about dropping the billions to go where we have already been (for no real purpose) while multitudes in their country starve and die.

The entire mission was a hood ornament for some politicians cock.

Member koan knows his stuff, agree on insightful mod.

With 1in5 American on food stamps, most folks don't have health insurance, Washington printing worthless money 24/7just to make interest payments on the national debt, and NSA recording the email and phone calls of every American and then some...patriots like koan obviously have unique insights about despotic, failed governments.

such a shame (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45787931)

such a shame to see all those comments making fun of China when we should be happy about their huge accomplishment!

nice pics (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45787939)

"China Sends First Potato to the Moon"

It's a fake! (1)

fgb (62123) | about 7 months ago | (#45787963)

There are no stars! ... and the shadows are wrong somehow! ... and the wave pattern proves something something something! ... and ... and ... there is no Moon!

Did they use the same studio (0)

fredrated (639554) | about 7 months ago | (#45787993)

where NASA faked the moon landing?

Re:Did they use the same studio (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45789577)

Nope, the color of their moon is partly brown, something you can't notice from these B & W photos

Firefly (3, Interesting)

mrflash818 (226638) | about 7 months ago | (#45788029)

...good for them!

Hugin (2, Informative)

ka9dgx (72702) | about 7 months ago | (#45788191)

They should have used Hugin [sourceforge.net] , an open source GUI based on Panotools, for stitching that panorama, it could have dealt with the uneven light levels caused by falloff of the CCD, and made a much, MUCH nicer panorama out of it.

They need to visit the Vignetting [panotools.org] page to learn how to fix things.

Re:Hugin (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 7 months ago | (#45788445)

We don't know how terrible the source images were. The curves at the bottom suggest there were only three input images, so the stripes may have been present in the individual images, and aren't the result of poor stitching.

Here's another picture taken from the landing (0)

BaerGriggs (1890000) | about 7 months ago | (#45788235)

Re:Here's another picture taken from the landing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45789089)

Fake, incoherent shadows...

Image Quality? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45788351)

What are they using for a camera? A defective early 2001 Logitech webcam?

Meh (0)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 7 months ago | (#45788421)

Well done them and everything - I mean, I've not managed to put a probe on the moon - but when the USians are getting this [nasa.gov] back from Mars, I'd be pretty underwhelmed with my achievement if I were the Chinese.

Re:Meh (1)

mlts (1038732) | about 7 months ago | (#45788611)

I just wish our government would want to get some better pictures and send a probe up just to one-up China. It would make for better news than yet another government shutdown, doomsday counter until a budget default, or yet another celebrity having affluenza and ending up in rehab.

Re:Meh (1)

Megol (3135005) | about 7 months ago | (#45788883)

Or perhaps your government should do something positive for their people instead?

Re:Meh (1)

Not Kyle (1469445) | about 7 months ago | (#45790107)

What? No! Screw us!

Re:Meh (1)

cusco (717999) | about 7 months ago | (#45790683)

Nice idea, but the Libertarians won't allow it. After all, they can't "prove" that the government is a failure until they first make it fail.

The Moon: A Ridiculous Liberal Myth (4, Funny)

sconeu (64226) | about 7 months ago | (#45788627)

It amazes me that so many allegedly "educated" people have fallen so quickly and so hard for a fraudulent fabrication of such laughable proportions. The very idea that a gigantic ball of rock happens to orbit our planet, showing itself in neat, four-week cycles -- with the same side facing us all the time -- is ludicrous. Furthermore, it is an insult to common sense and a damnable affront to intellectual honesty and integrity. That people actually believe it is evidence that the liberals have wrested the last vestiges of control of our public school system from decent, God-fearing Americans (as if any further evidence was needed! Daddy's Roommate? God Almighty!)

Documentaries such as Enemy of the State have accurately portrayed the elaborate, byzantine network of surveillance satellites that the liberals have sent into space to spy on law-abiding Americans. Equipped with technology developed by Handgun Control, Inc., these satellites have the ability to detect firearms from hundreds of kilometers up. That's right, neighbors .. the next time you're out in the backyard exercising your Second Amendment rights, the liberals will see it! These satellites are sensitive enough to tell the difference between a Colt .45 and a .38 Special! And when they detect you with a firearm, their computers cross-reference the address to figure out your name, and then an enormous database housed at Berkeley is updated with information about you.

Of course, this all works fine during the day, but what about at night? Even the liberals can't control the rotation of the Earth to prevent nightfall from setting in (only Joshua was able to ask for that particular favor!) That's where the "moon" comes in. Powered by nuclear reactors, the "moon" is nothing more than an enormous balloon, emitting trillions of candlepower of gun-revealing light. Piloted by key members of the liberal community, the "moon" is strategically moved across the country, pointing out those who dare to make use of their God-given rights at night!

Yes, I know this probably sounds paranoid and preposterous, but consider this. Despite what the revisionist historians tell you, there is no mention of the "moon" anywhere in literature or historical documents -- anywhere -- before 1950. That is when it was initially launched. When President Josef Kennedy, at the State of the Union address, proclaimed "We choose to go to the moon", he may as well have said "We choose to go to the weather balloon." The subsequent faking of a "moon" landing on national TV was the first step in a long history of the erosion of our constitutional rights by leftists in this country. No longer can we hide from our government when the sun goes down.

Re:The Moon: A Ridiculous Liberal Myth (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45789443)

+1, Off His Meds.

Re:The Moon: A Ridiculous Liberal Myth (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45789555)

Amazing. If I had mod points, they would be yours, sir, for you are truly a scholar and a gentleman.

Re:The Moon: A Ridiculous Liberal Myth (1)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | about 7 months ago | (#45791653)

Original. [imgur.com]

In Communist China... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45789117)

Not only it spies you, but sends moon probes to spy on aliens, destroys all Apollo landing evidences to legitimize lunar landing conspiracies, then cover up its tracks by sweeping of the remains of destructions!

are we sure (1)

zeroryoko1974 (2634611) | about 7 months ago | (#45790099)

Are we sure the thing is actually there, and these aren't pictures downloaded off the internet?

lack of PR & photo skills in scientific commun (1)

Max_W (812974) | about 7 months ago | (#45791323)

Scientists do not understand that people want to see a nice quality inspiring images from Lune, from Mars, etc. They are not interested in X-ray diagrams, or geological survey results.

Still it is people who pay for these flights. I am sure it is doable to shoot good JPG files on Mars or Lune. And instead we get blurry low resolution images.

I read that an engineer had to buy a photo camera for Mars rover with his own money. Otherwise we would not see any pictures at all.

I think the best photo & video camera is the first, the most important device to place on a rover. And to send to the people of Earth the quality images the first minute after landing.

And not broken panoramas, but a nice even high resolution panorama. There is open source software called Hugin to make nice panoramas.

So that's where the Apolo equipment ended up, in C (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45791527)

What else could explain this circa 1969 quality image, photographed from the TV screens (the NASA standard), while the World watches on in awe.

Move on, nothing to see here...

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