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NASA Wants To Bring Back Hunks of Mars In Future Unmanned Mission

Soulskill posted 1 year,12 days | from the live-at-red-rocks dept.

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coondoggie writes "The space missions to Mars have so far been one way — satellites and robotic rovers have all gone there to stay. NASA, as part a of a new, ambitious Mars visit, wants to change that by sending a rover to the surface of the Red Planet which can dig up chunks of the surface and send them back to Earth for highly detailed examination. These plans were laid out in a lengthy report outlining mission plans for Mars that will be acted upon over the next decade. It says a retrieval mission 'could occur as early as the mid-2020s or wait until the 2030s.'"

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82 comments

For the swimsuit calender? (3, Funny)

kk49 (829669) | 1 year,12 days | (#44244681)

Whaka Whaka

Re:For the swimsuit calender? (1)

bkmoore (1910118) | 1 year,11 days | (#44247011)

Ba-Da-Bing.

Re:For the swimsuit calender? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#44247205)

About it.
They should be planning and building toward a permanent scientific station on the surface.

Instead they just come up with these publicity stunts.

We should have had a permanent scientific station on the moon for the last decade.

If NASA isn't going to fish or cut bait, it is time to RIF the whole bunch.

Re:For the swimsuit calender? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#44254339)

They should be planning and building toward a permanent scientific station on the surface. Instead they just come up with these publicity stunts. We should have had a permanent scientific station on the moon for the last decade.

Putting people on Mars would be the useless, futile, and probably deadly publicity stunt. Bringing back rocks will garner new knowlege.

As to a station on the moon, that's offtopic; the subject is Mars. If you don't think we're doing science on Mars you're not paying attention.

Instead of Hunks from Mars ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,12 days | (#44244705)

... they should bring back the Amazon Women on the Moon.

Re:Instead of Hunks from Mars ... (1)

Nefarious Wheel (628136) | 1 year,11 days | (#44245481)

Yes, Hollywood should underwrite the venture. The payback dividends will be enormous!

Re:Instead of Hunks from Mars ... (1)

bkmoore (1910118) | 1 year,11 days | (#44247007)

... they should bring back the Amazon Women on the Moon.

No, women are from Venus.

Re:Instead of Hunks from Mars ... (1)

RaceProUK (1137575) | 1 year,11 days | (#44248373)

... they should bring back the Amazon Women on the Moon.

No, women are from Venus.

That's what they want you to think...

What could possibly go wrong? (3, Interesting)

ColdWetDog (752185) | 1 year,12 days | (#44244729)

Mid 2020s or 2030s? (1)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | 1 year,12 days | (#44244771)

By that time, Mars One is scheduled to have people on Mars, so NASA can simply send a retrieval rocket and ask those people to collect some samples - for a reasonable fee, of course :-)

Re:Mid 2020s or 2030s? (2)

0123456 (636235) | 1 year,12 days | (#44244801)

That's not a bad plan. NASA could send food and stuff and then the people on Mars could fill the rocket with rocks to send back. Could be the first example of interplanetary commerce.

Re:Mid 2020s or 2030s? (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | 1 year,12 days | (#44244889)

Rather than bringing the materials here we could send the lab there... oh wait: that's exactly what we did with Curiosity!

I'd also like a quote for how much it would cost to build a villa from this martian rock.

Re:Mid 2020s or 2030s? (2)

Rockoon (1252108) | 1 year,12 days | (#44245423)

How about the cost of building a ship that can escape not just one, but *two* gravity wells.

Launching a ship with enough fuel to get there is already expensive as fuck... but to also carry the fuel needed to also launch the ship from there back to here..

I'm thinking tens of billions of dollars easy... probably more in the range of hundreds of billions..

Re:Mid 2020s or 2030s? (2)

aled (228417) | 1 year,11 days | (#44245789)

We could instead send small robots that can build anything on site when arrive, even self replicate themselves. We would call them 'replicators'.
What could go wrong?

Re:Mid 2020s or 2030s? (1)

murdocj (543661) | 1 year,11 days | (#44245989)

As long as they don't have any rocket templates to replicate we should be safe... oh... never mind.

Re:Mid 2020s or 2030s? (1)

jkflying (2190798) | 1 year,11 days | (#44248859)

If we were able to manufacture the rocket propellant in space, from say water from the moon and split into H/O using solar power, it wouldn't be quite as bad. After all, only a small fraction of the rocket weight is the actual rocket, most is the fuel.

Re:Mid 2020s or 2030s? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#44252431)

If we were able to manufacture the rocket propellant in space, from say water from the moon and split into H/O using solar power, it wouldn't be quite as bad. After all, only a small fraction of the rocket weight is the actual rocket, most is the fuel.

Mass isn't what matters. What matters is cost, and that's sky-high because we throw away a multi-million dollar vehicle with each launch just so we can save the few tens of thousands in extra fuel it would take to make it reusable + whatever the number in added complexity (still worth it in the long run, since you develop once and use many times).

Re:Mid 2020s or 2030s? (1)

Rockoon (1252108) | 1 year,11 days | (#44254721)

That also presumes that reusable rockets are always in every case reusable. Seems to me that the number of reusable shuttles whittled down over time..

Re:Mid 2020s or 2030s? (1)

mark-t (151149) | 1 year,12 days | (#44245073)

Yeah, because, you know... money is just going to be so useful on Mars,

Re:Mid 2020s or 2030s? (1)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | 1 year,12 days | (#44245275)

Yeah, because, you know... money is just going to be so useful on Mars,

Or, a Mars One ground-support fee ... The colonists will get supplies from Earth *and* money will probably still be useful Earth-side.

[ I considered mentioning that the OP, but didn't think it *actually* necessary. Never over-estimate people on /. ... ]

Re:Mid 2020s or 2030s? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#44246137)

How else will they pay for their Obamacare?
No, there will be no missions to mars my freinds, because there is no money for it. The only 10 year mission will be your useless congress critter fighting over their pork. And the people of the U.S. keep electing them - mostly because the voters in the U.S. are not from the U.S. They are throwaways from other countries who are scavengers.
And you like it that way.

Phobos? (3, Interesting)

Hentes (2461350) | 1 year,12 days | (#44244819)

Bringing back material from Mars's moons may be an easier first step.

Re:Phobos? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,12 days | (#44244829)

Bringing back material from Mars's moons may be an easier first step.

Phobos, yeah, we've all played Doom, buddy. Nothing doing.

Re:Phobos? (1)

dbIII (701233) | 1 year,11 days | (#44246005)

Just landing on the things is going to be not much easier than hooking up with a comet. Digging holes without leaving the surface from recoil would be interesting, but doable if very little force is used. It's not hard kids - calculate how much acceleration you get from gravity on a moon of Mars.

Re:Phobos? (1)

lxs (131946) | 1 year,11 days | (#44248655)

Just be careful of the Leather Goddesses.

Re:Phobos? (1)

dywolf (2673597) | 1 year,11 days | (#44250429)

Mod up for reference.

This isn't theregister.co.uk (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,12 days | (#44244865)

/. has a long way to go to match the double entedré abilities of the El Reg staff.

How about some humans on the Moon first. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,12 days | (#44244875)

I would love to see some humans on the Moon, this time for real. Not some fantasy from 70s that nobody can verify.
Science moved some much forward in the last 50 years and they still find excuses why flying to our closest satellite is not possible.

Not Mentioned in the Article (1)

mentil (1748130) | 1 year,12 days | (#44244987)

The Mars rocks will be brought back, at astronomical speeds, straight to the NASA budgeting subcommittee.

Re:Not Mentioned in the Article (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#44247465)

The Mars rocks will be brought back, at astronomical speeds, straight to the NASA budgeting subcommittee.

(They're not supposed to know about that part until after we've built the mass drivers. For this leak, K'breel will have your gelsacs leak!)

Good idea (3, Funny)

Nidi62 (1525137) | 1 year,12 days | (#44245005)

It's a shame, however, that the load of rocks on board will have to be removed so that Val Kilmer can make it safely off Mars so he can get some sweet, sweet Trinity action. And remember, never send any military surplus drones to Mars!

Re:Good idea (2)

aled (228417) | 1 year,11 days | (#44245817)

And remember, never send any military surplus drones to Mars!

Why not? they very safe. Just be sure to set the 'KILL' switch to 'false'... And hope the programmers read the DailyWTF [thedailywtf.com] site. Hope real hard.

Re:Good idea (1)

murdocj (543661) | 1 year,11 days | (#44246003)

And reading today's news about the failure of Russia's Proton rocket, you have to hope the builders didn't put the KILL switch in upside down.

Re:Good idea (1)

aled (228417) | 1 year,9 days | (#44272155)

Of course they... wait a minute, false is upside down or upside up?

Bars of Mars? (1)

decipher_saint (72686) | 1 year,12 days | (#44245017)

That sounds like a satisfying project...

Re:Bars of Mars? (1)

DigitalReverend (901909) | 1 year,11 days | (#44248851)

Or it's part of the Lyrics from Blondie's song "Rapture"

Killer microbes (1, Interesting)

Tablizer (95088) | 1 year,12 days | (#44245047)

There is still risk of Martian microbes that Earth life has no immunity too. Sure, it's a very small chance, but one that has potentially apocalyptic consequences if it happens.

Perhaps the samples should be baked at an intermediate station.

Re:Killer microbes (2)

jamstar7 (694492) | 1 year,12 days | (#44245401)

There is still risk of Martian microbes that Earth life has no immunity too. Sure, it's a very small chance, but one that has potentially apocalyptic consequences if it happens.

Perhaps the samples should be baked at an intermediate station.

Naw, just build a sampling lab on the Moon and process them there. Hell, you could even teloperate it, it's only a 3 second lag, wouldn't even need to send any people up there, which would make the Congresscritters happy..

Re:Killer microbes (5, Insightful)

able1234au (995975) | 1 year,11 days | (#44245533)

Almost zero. Mars rocks have been hitting earth for some time and in any case microbes have to evolve to infect humans, it is not something likely to happen for a mars microbe. In any case they will use the same quarantine process they used for the moon rocks and in that case the microbes would have had to have been very hardy to survive vacuum and solar radiation, yet they still quarantined them. So you can be sure the risk is close to zero.

On the other hand we have enough risks here on earth that we don't jump up and down enough about. Still, the power of the unknown risk freaks people out more.

Re:Killer microbes (0)

Tablizer (95088) | 1 year,11 days | (#44247529)

[risk] Almost zero. Mars rocks have been hitting earth for some time

But rocks that have traveled to Earth via impacts have been heavily baked by the impact and/or space radiation. The more dangerous microbes may not be of the hardy kind.

and in any case microbes have to evolve to infect humans

Not necessarily. It may attack/consume a more fundamental process or chemical.

Re:Killer microbes (2)

able1234au (995975) | 1 year,11 days | (#44247593)

There is risk which is why they quarantine, but it is not something to lose much sleep over.

Re:Killer microbes (1)

Tablizer (95088) | 1 year,11 days | (#44252163)

What do you mean by quarantine? Sit by themselves for a while? That may not be good enough.

Even if the risk of a surprise mass disease is 1 in 10,000, it's worth taking precautions against. If you do the risk/reward math, then very small risks (probabilities) with very large costs are roughly equivalent to a medium risk (medium probability with medium costs).

And keep in mind that it's not just risk to humans, it could be risk to other life-forms that we depend on. For this reason, an isolated human colony exposure test may not be good enough.

Re:Killer microbes (2)

able1234au (995975) | 1 year,10 days | (#44257137)

So if you are concerned about a risks as low as 1 in 10,000, which btw, i think is much lower than that, then you think we should invest in much higher risk items that are more certain to kill lots of us off. Threats such as Global Warming (almost 1 in 1 risk), Major Pandemics from earth based diseases (possibly 1 in 10 to 1 in 100), declining fresh water, energy, overpopulation and many other threats that are much higher risk and likely to happen if we don't do anything about them.

It is fine to imagine threats that might come from a Mars rock but in practice you would need to postulate how such a threat would work. If you are using magical threats then unfortunately throw science out the window. But using science show how a microbe could not only survive but somehow be a threat to DNA it has not grown up around. Or if it is going to magically live off earth rocks or metals, then you need to show that Mars lacks the same rocks and metals, given that Mars is formed from the same raw material as the earth.

Yes, it might be something new but DNA has survived on earth for a few billion years so the odds of there being such a scenario seems a little low.

Re:Killer microbes (1)

Tablizer (95088) | 1 year,10 days | (#44261629)

I agree those other things are threats, but those are messy political issues that NASA has no control over. They DO have control over "Mars rock" missions. Just because Group A takes stupid risks does not mean Group B should do the same.

If you are using magical threats then unfortunately throw science out the window.

I am NOT "throwing science out the window". We have had one and only one planet's life to study so far. We know zippity squat about life on other planets. Extrapolating based on our existing knowledge of Earth life is insufficient for a definitive conclusion.

Excess extrapolation is a scientific error. We can make some educated guesses, but we shouldn't bet the safety of humanity on mere educated guesses unless there are no reasonable alternatives.

Re:Killer microbes (1)

able1234au (995975) | 1 year,7 days | (#44281667)

The moon rocks were stored in vacuum and were in quarantine until deemed safe. The same would happen with Mars rocks though perhaps they might store them in "Mars atmosphere".

It is reasonable to be careful with the unknown but building a moon base stocked with humans in case there is some unknown dangerous virus is perhaps a little extreme.

My point on the other risks but just to say that people are not good at assessing relative risk. Mars rocks pose little or no risk yet we have known risks that could wipe out, or wipe out most of humanity. So in the rank of things to worry about Mars rocks are way way down the list. Not that we should not take reasonable precautions. We face more risk with digging up remains from the bubonic plague but they did just that recently. I would be interested in hearing how a Mars virus might cause a problem for Earth. Really bad viruses actually cause the least problem since they kill off their hosts before they can spread. eg Ebola. viruses like the measles and influenza have been more successful (from their viewpoint) simply because they are less dangerous. A Mars virus is unlikely to have the mechanisms to infect humans. if it did that would truly be a very long shot. Humans are exposed to animal viruses all the time and except in a handful of cases they mostly do us no harm.

Re:Killer microbes (2)

AvderTheTerrible (1960234) | 1 year,11 days | (#44245913)

There is a very, very slim chance that we may all be descendants of martian microbes. Mars would have cooled a lot earlier than earth, favorable conditions may have manifested earlier, and something could have evolved there and gotten stuck in a rock that was later ejected from mars by some collision and made its way to earth, ultimately landing in earths primordial soup and seeding the planet.

Very slim chance, but I like the thought that we may all be martians.

Re:Killer microbes (2)

manu0601 (2221348) | 1 year,11 days | (#44246073)

I am convinced there are microbes in Mars soil, but they are adapted to a very specific biotope, and are not likely to thrive at 37C, so there is no danger IMO. We already have the case of extermophiles on earth, able to live in almost boiling water, but unable to live in a human being.

Re:Killer microbes (1)

Tablizer (95088) | 1 year,11 days | (#44252223)

But you are just speculating. I generally agree that there is "probably" no risk, but "probably" is not good enough in this case.

Re:Killer microbes (1)

manu0601 (2221348) | 1 year,10 days | (#44257143)

True, but there are rational basis behind the speculation. Take earth's extremophiles that live in near boiling water. Their biological structures have evolved to stand the heat, but in a way that makes them unable to operate at room temperature. To give a broad idea, everything is so much hardened that it needs high temperature to be mobile.

Then you can imagine an extremophile will adapt to live in your guts, lungs or skin, but the fact is that it will encounter many other microbes already adapted there, and they are not likely to give away their territory easily.

Re:Killer microbes (1)

Tablizer (95088) | 1 year,10 days | (#44261505)

"Invasive" species from across continents often out-compete the native life because their predators have not fully adapted to them yet. Something similar may be at play with Mars microbes.

And again, I agree you are probably right, but probably is not good enough in this case.

Re:Killer microbes (1)

manu0601 (2221348) | 1 year,10 days | (#44262575)

There is a difference between moving across continents and planets : the invasive species find a biotope similar from one continent to the other, they do not have to adapt. The only barrier may be a predator. Moving across planets, microbes find a very different biotope to which they have to adapt.

rfm (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,12 days | (#44245049)

Those guys from rocksfrommars.com better get their shiz together.

Red Rover (1)

ChefInnocent (667809) | 1 year,12 days | (#44245173)

Are they going to call the rover "Red"? I can hear all the school children singing "Red Rover, Red Rover, send Mars right over."

Re:Red Rover (1)

In hydraulis (1318473) | 1 year,11 days | (#44247037)

I can understand the thought processes that transpired here, but I can not conceive of that which brought you to take the fruit of such processes and publish it.

Re:Red Rover (1)

ChefInnocent (667809) | 1 year,11 days | (#44252417)

I get that I am an amazingly unfunny person with a sense of humor no one else shares. What I don't get, is why you needed to comment on it.

Re:Red Rover (1)

In hydraulis (1318473) | 1 year,11 days | (#44256395)

Don't take it personally. Yesterday was just one of those wtf days.

Gimme a hug!

Commercial Venture (1)

dragonk (140807) | 1 year,12 days | (#44245417)

I will pay for a piece of Mars. Git'r Done.

Mars will bring back hunks of NASA (1)

Mister Liberty (769145) | 1 year,11 days | (#44245457)

in a future unmartianed mission.

Re:Mars will bring back hunks of NASA (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#44245667)

in a future unmartianed mission.

Yep

do it before I'm dead of old age (4, Interesting)

k6mfw (1182893) | 1 year,11 days | (#44245633)

I prefer a mission to Europa that includes a submarine to go into the water below the ice to take pics of the little fishies (if any). Yes, Europa is ****far more difficult**** than Mars. But a Mars sample would be cool, will provide excellent comparison to Martian meteoroids from Antartica. Now if we can also send somebody beyond LEO, then we can say (in the words of one of controllers at Houston MOCR after Apollo 8 TLI), "Finally we get to go someplace!"

Re:do it before I'm dead of old age (1)

tyrione (134248) | 1 year,11 days | (#44245661)

I prefer a mission to Europa that includes a submarine to go into the water below the ice to take pics of the little fishies (if any). Yes, Europa is ****far more difficult**** than Mars. But a Mars sample would be cool, will provide excellent comparison to Martian meteoroids from Antartica. Now if we can also send somebody beyond LEO, then we can say (in the words of one of controllers at Houston MOCR after Apollo 8 TLI), "Finally we get to go someplace!"

I prefer building a base on the Moon, then Mars and then we can jump to Europa.

Re:do it before I'm dead of old age (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#44245753)

I prefer building a base on the Moon, then Mars and then we can jump to Europa.

Id prefer to fly there.

Re:do it before I'm dead of old age (1)

VanessaE (970834) | 1 year,11 days | (#44246197)

You know perfectly well we're not permitted to land on Europa, or even to attempt it.

Re:do it before I'm dead of old age (1)

T Murphy (1054674) | 1 year,11 days | (#44249411)

I see this mission as a stepping stone. We've recently proven that Mars once had flowing water, so there could be a lot to learn if we can look into the planet's history. Mars has ice caps - I am curious what we could glean from ice cores (and core samples of Martian soil). Such samples would be much harder to extract and transport back to Earth, so retrieving rocks first would help us work towards that.

Re:do it before I'm dead of old age (1)

Insightfill (554828) | 1 year,11 days | (#44251397)

I prefer a mission to Europa that includes a submarine to go into the water below the ice to take pics of the little fishies (if any).

Sounds like an indie movie [wikipedia.org] coming up. Preview looks pretty good, but the jiggly camera work may detract from the story. Not sure yet. Good trailer available online.

Hoax/forgery (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#44245747)

Well, dropping aside the moon landing hoax conspiracy theory, the average authenticity of moon rocks is probably on par with the average authenticity of religious relics. Which is not all too surprising since they are in a way scientific relics.

If we start working with Mars relics, the expected veracity will take a further plunge.

Re:Hoax/forgery (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#44246139)

Only for fucking retards who think the government is chasing them in invisible helicopters.

Barsoooooom.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#44245955)

Don't we have to get the Jeddak of Helium's permission for something like this?

Re:Barsoooooom.... (1)

murdocj (543661) | 1 year,11 days | (#44246007)

We'll just kidnap Dejah Thoris and demand his surrender... mwwahhhahahahahaha

Gravity well (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#44246419)

Interesting - I always thought it was comparitively easy to return samples from the moon sue to the shallow gravity well, mars' is much deeper. How would we be able to lift off enough fuel from Earth (and safely land it on Mars) to return a rock sample from such a massive world?

Re:Gravity well (1)

twisteddk (201366) | 1 year,11 days | (#44250153)

Comparatively, Mars is much smaller than earth. A mere 40% of the gravity (or so). Admittedly, that's more than double the moons gravity, but certainly a lot easier to do than escaping earths gravity twice....

Technically, this type of return trip has been worked out for years, but not been implemented yet: The majority of a spaceship is the booster rocket. By using a lander (some sort of VTOL device, similar to the moon lander) module, no (or only a small) booster would be required for the take off from mars. However, if we're to slingshot using gravity only, then the return trip would likely take a decade or more. which means a powered trip would be advisable, if we want results. But space exploration doesn' t have to be fast, so we COULD percievably just let gravity do most of the work. However, if we wanted to do a manned mission, time would be of the essence. This means that the lander module would have to pick up fuel along the way, or that the primary ship would have to. Sending a rocket in advance with the technology to proces fuel on the surface of mars would be one way to go, but certainly not the only one..... It just sounds easy ;)

Re:Gravity well (1)

Dereck1701 (1922824) | 1 year,11 days | (#44250323)

From what I understand the issue with Mars isn't so much the gravity, as it is only 2.2 times that of the Moon. Its the combination of the lower gravity with just enough atmosphere to make landing and takeoff a pain. The advantage with the moon is that there is really no atmosphere, so a craft doesn't experience drag and doesn't require atmospheric considerations in its design (and the added weight of those considerations). There is at least some possibility that disadvantage could be turned into an advantage, fuel could conceivably be manufactured from the atmosphere itself using a few relatively minor components brought from earth.

Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#44246509)

Since when does the NSA do space travel?

I guess it makes sense. I mean, computers need metals that conduct electricity don't they? So it's in the NSA's best interest to have an R&D department that looks for new metals that could be superconductors, which supposedly play a part in quantum computing. Since we've found most of earths metals... it's time to explore further.

Or Martians took over our planet secretly.

The world may never know.

Or at least until it's too late.

Is this the pitch for a really bad horror movie? (1)

drevange (2365548) | 1 year,11 days | (#44247107)

Is it just me or does this sound like the pitch for a really bad horror or end-of-days B movie? Who would be the key cast members? Sounds like a really, really bad idea. LOL.

Why bother (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#44248003)

2030? They can just ask that Musk guy to send some by mail by then.

5.- Profit! (1)

Superdarion (1286310) | 1 year,11 days | (#44248095)

I wonder if there'd be a profitable market for chunks of Mars. Perhaps it could help fund further exploration.

Oh, that's easy (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#44248567)

Yesterday, I bought back an an entire *bar* of Mars(TM).

Yes , inspiring .. but ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#44248925)

Yes , inspiring .. but ... It would seem to be a lot less expensive (think: orders of magnitude) merely to spend more time trekking the surface ice of Antartica where, we've been told, it's relatively easy to manually pick up rocks/meteorites confirmed to have come from Mars ... and no retro-rockets needed ..

Or, is there something about Mars that they're not telling us... something that would justify such enormous expense ??

Inquiring minds ...
are free to reject the absurd ...

China will probably do it (1)

peter303 (12292) | 1 year,11 days | (#44250701)

After a lunar rover in the late 2010s.

China has had five manned space mission now. Even though they are doing things the US & Russia did in the mid 1970s, the are making about four years of progress for every two years of work. Their next space station circa 2015 will be larger than the largest Mir, but still smaller than the ISS. China has the advantage of current technology, $money$, and learning from the past.

How many people watched their two week, three [wo]man space station mission lat month?

Yes I can see it now (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#44250735)

The all-new 2014 calendar featuring Hunks Of Mars, photoshopped to add an extra set of arms, all aimed at the target market: geek women.

Yup, all 12 of them.

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