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The Science of Hugo Chavez's Long Term Embalming

Unknown Lamer posted about 2 years ago | from the beyond-the-grave dept.

Science 215

Hugh Pickens writes writes "Discover Magazine reports that Hugo Chavez will apparently get an embalming job designed to keep him looking alive for decades similar to that of Russia's Vladimir Lenin, whose body still lies in a mausoleum in Moscow's Red Square, nearly 90 years after his death. So how do you preserve a human body for decades without it turning into a pile of melted tissue? First, get to work quickly. Upon death, the human body starts decomposing immediately. The way to stop it is with formaldehyde, a preservative used for the past century, which inhibits the enzyme decomposition as well as killing bacteria. 'You pump the chemical in, and as the formaldehyde hits the cells of the body, it firms up the protein of the cell, or fixates it,' says Vernie Fountain, head of the Fountain National Academy of Professional Embalming Skills in Springfield, Mo. 'That's what makes them stiff.' With a body that will have to be on display for years, it's likely to require a top-shelf, super-strong solution. 'If I were doing Hugo Chavez, I would strengthen the solution and use more preservative product,' says Fountain. Next, get a good moisturizer. Formaldehyde preserves, but it also dries out the body. Vaseline or other moisturizers can preserve the look of skin, according to Melissa Johnson Williams, executive director of the American Society of Embalmers. Finally keep cool. Heat decomposes a body so for long term preservation, the body has to be kept at the temperature of a standard kitchen refrigerator, somewhere in the mid-40s. Lastly, if Venezuelans really want to keep Hugo Chavez around forever, like many other world figures, there's only one solution that works, according to Fountain. 'The best form of preservation is mummification.'"

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The truth about Fox News (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43127801)

In an enormous mansion hidden in a dark forest, Fox News met to plot vast initiatives that have affected our daily lives.

The controversy surrounding President Roosevelt's possible pact with Fox News was largely dismissed as a conspiracy -- until Pearl Harbor happened, confirming our worst fears with the deaths of thousands of Americans.

I know that many people have a hard time believing this, but please, look at the facts.

Our government officials are working to pass legislation which would classify innocent protests against cocaine as acts of terrorism-- and Fox News's lobbyists are deeply involved in this campaign.

Ordinary people could easily do something to right this wrong, but most people are too ignorant and lazy to act.

For years, the US military has been building secret bases under the sea and beneath ocean trenches. Since the war in Iraq, these sites have been used for drone pilot training, and for stockpiling cocaine.

Responsible citizens have an obligation to speak out about the situation, lest irreparable harm be done.

Re:The truth about Fox News (-1, Offtopic)

Yomers (863527) | about 2 years ago | (#43127829)

Something have to be done about this until irreparable harm is finally done! Where exactly are those stockpiles of cocaine you say?

Call me skeptical (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43127807)

But I highly doubt they're going to be able to do this properly.
I doubt their embalming job would last a year.

They just don't strike me as the kind of people who can pull it off.

Re:Call me skeptical (1)

larry bagina (561269) | about 2 years ago | (#43127813)

If they could pull it off, he would still be "alive" today.

Keeping him dead's easier than keeping him alive (1)

billstewart (78916) | about 2 years ago | (#43128417)

Of course, we could find that Venezuela has been developing zombie technology, and he could hang around undead for a while.

Re:Keeping him dead's easier than keeping him aliv (2)

Opportunist (166417) | about 2 years ago | (#43128753)

Write to Congress, a few of them people there look like they already perfected the art.

Re:Call me skeptical (4, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 2 years ago | (#43127881)

But I highly doubt they're going to be able to do this properly.
I doubt their embalming job would last a year.

They just don't strike me as the kind of people who can pull it off.

Check out the web site for "Fountain National Academy of Professional Embalming Skills". If these guys do embalming with the same professionalism they utilize with web site creation, they'd get better results if they stuck Chavez in a blender.

Re:Call me skeptical (2)

phantomfive (622387) | about 2 years ago | (#43128327)

link [fnacademy.com] .

Re:Call me skeptical (1)

Yomers (863527) | about 2 years ago | (#43127961)

They are asking Russians to do it, so Chaves will be ok :)

I would love to live in a world where all presidents or whatever called heads of a state are embalmed and stored in a mausoleums for the amusement of the next generations.

Re:Call me skeptical (1)

Yeff (1108747) | about 2 years ago | (#43128009)

> They are asking Russians to do it, so Chaves will be ok :) He's dead, Jim.

Re:Call me skeptical (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128029)

Didn't the Russians fail with Lenin and they displayed a waxwork instead?

Re:Call me skeptical (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128239)

No, Lenin's body is still on display. I checked Wikipedia and you're thinking of Klement Gottwald (Czechoslovakia).

Re:Call me skeptical (3, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 2 years ago | (#43128035)

They are asking Russians to do it, so Chaves will be ok :)

I would love to live in a world where all presidents or whatever called heads of a state are embalmed and stored in a mausoleums for the amusement of the next generations.

What somewhat surprises me is that they don't get the wacky plastination [bodyworlds.com] guy in on the project. The actual product isn't really a preserved body in any useful sense(as the name suggests, the original tissue is largely replaced by polymers); but the replacement occurs down to impressively tiny details, the results look fantastic, and they last nobody-knows-how-long-but-a-long-time under normal indoor conditions.

Re:Call me skeptical (1)

Razgorov Prikazka (1699498) | about 2 years ago | (#43128147)

I was wondering about the same thing. Gunther von Hagens (or Liebchen if you like) has a very nice and apparently working method of getting corpses preserved. Also he does it in such a way that people can learn from this.
My suggestion; only leave the skin so people can have a good look inside on how 'red' he actually was ;-)
Besides, I think that he doesn't really fit in with men like Mao and Lenin who actually got stuff done. He was anti-american, but that's about it, he didnt really do any paradigm-shifting stuff IMHO.
How low can Hugo?

Re:Call me skeptical (1)

Razgorov Prikazka (1699498) | about 2 years ago | (#43128199)

P.S.
Maybe this is the reason he is not doing the plastination:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/06/world/europe/06corpses.html?_r=0
<Quote> But Mr. Hagens, who turns 66 on Jan. 10, has told the German tabloid Bild that he is suffering from Parkinson&rsquo;s disease and that his wife 'will plastinate my body,' and 'my plastinated corpse will then stand in a welcoming pose at the entrance of my exhibition.' A man who has always loved publicity and controversy, Mr. Hagens gave no indication of how long he expected to live, but typically patients with Parkinson&rsquo;s, a degenerative disorder of the central nervous system, live for years after a diagnosis. </quote>

Re:Call me skeptical (1)

williamyf (227051) | about 2 years ago | (#43128407)

They can not do the plastination.... A while ago chavez expeled the "Bodies revealed" expo from venezuela, and denounced it as inmoral.

Embalming him using that procedure would be an about face that his supporters could not aford...

Re:Call me skeptical (2)

Guillermito (187510) | about 2 years ago | (#43128477)

Ironically, in 2009 Chavez ordered to confiscate one of these body exhibitions that was on tour in Caracas, because he said it was immoral to put unsepulchered bodies on display.

http://news.sky.com/story/676071/chavez-blocks-venezuela-dead-body-art-show [sky.com]

In case you understand Spanish, you can hear it from the man himself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2MfLT-U2qo [youtube.com]

Re:Call me skeptical (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128135)

Do we have to wait for them to die naturally first?

Yay Missouri (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43127809)

We're famous for something!

uh oh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43127819)

Red/blue political mud wrestling match coming 3... 2... 1...

Re:uh oh (1, Funny)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | about 2 years ago | (#43127861)

Look for Democrats to do something similar for THEIR communist hero when Obama dies of old age, still in office, 30 years from now.

Re:uh oh (4, Informative)

SwedishPenguin (1035756) | about 2 years ago | (#43127939)

That word [wikipedia.org] , I don't think it means what you think it means...

Re:uh oh (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128055)

Yep, looks pretty dead-on.

Re:uh oh (4, Insightful)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about 2 years ago | (#43128369)

Yes, but the more accurate "fascist" has too many negative connotations to be acceptable.

Re:uh oh (-1, Flamebait)

metlin (258108) | about 2 years ago | (#43128427)

Even by American standards, Obama is at best center-right.

Plastination (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43127823)

They should really look into plastination.
The whole process is specifically designed to put dead people on display.

Dogfood (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128677)

They should look into canning him and serving up to a pack of starving dogs in the barrios of Caracas.

Why? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43127833)

Why do we preserve the turds or our species?

Re:Why? (1)

Ol Biscuitbarrel (1859702) | about 2 years ago | (#43127857)

Does it have to be one or the other?

A refridgerator with a temperature in the mid-40s? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43127847)

Sounds like it's broken.

Re:A refridgerator with a temperature in the mid-4 (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 2 years ago | (#43128775)

I was thinking the same. If they need a fridge to get it to the mid-40s, Venezuela is a hotter place than I originally thought.

Or be a saint (5, Interesting)

michaelmalak (91262) | about 2 years ago | (#43127849)

Or be a saint, blessed with incorruptibility [listverse.com] .

Incorruptible? Chavez? (1)

billstewart (78916) | about 2 years ago | (#43128409)

No, I don't think so.

Re:Or be a saint (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 2 years ago | (#43128781)

Doesn't work with politicians. I mean, incorruptibility... c'mon, that's begging for tasteless jokes.

Super Cooling (4, Informative)

pubwvj (1045960) | about 2 years ago | (#43127875)

"the body has to be kept at the temperature of a standard kitchen refrigerator, somewhere in the mid-40s."

No, store it at 27 degrees F which is -2.78 degrees C if you want to keep the meat fresh, not frozen and stop microbial action.

This is the temperature that we store fresh meat at. It is below standard refrigerator temperatures. Meat freezes at 25ÂF which is below the freezing point of water because of the salts in the blood and cellular fluid. A lot of research has been done on this - initially regarding the storage of fish for Norway's trawlers and later for the storage of pork.

For the absolute best results adjust this freezing temperature to account for the preservative solution which will likely change the freeze point downward - then stay just above that point of freezing for the meat.

There is a lot of science behind this in the meat industry that could be applied to Hugo.

Re:Super Cooling (2)

mabhatter654 (561290) | about 2 years ago | (#43128011)

You don't want him "fresh" you want him to slowly turn to jerky rather than totally dried out crispy like King Tut.

Re:Super Cooling (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128303)

He was jerky enough when he was alive

mid 40s (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43127889)

kinda hot

boil him in rat piss (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43127895)

then slice thinly on the bias
serve over wilted lettuce

"So how do you preserve a human body for decades" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43127911)

"So how do you preserve a human body for decades without it turning into a pile of melted tissue?"

Botox!

Irradiation ? (1)

Rollgunner (630808) | about 2 years ago | (#43127915)

Does wonders for produce by killing the living heck out of bacteria... Not sure if there would be 'harmful' side effects though.

Preserved To Show Who Took over $100 Billion... (3, Insightful)

BoRegardless (721219) | about 2 years ago | (#43127927)

And gave it away to the likes of Cuba and Bolivia and Iran for influence, while the citizens who elected Hugo Chavez received no benefit and the petro industry in Venezuela degraded due to lack of upgrades.

Re:Preserved To Show Who Took over $100 Billion... (4, Insightful)

mabhatter654 (561290) | about 2 years ago | (#43128025)

The petrol industry pays for their OWN upgrades... What Chavez did was increase the amount of rent the country charged to pump its oil... So the private industry retaliates by dragging their feet causing delays.

Remember said industry tried to violate the laws of the country and depose him... They FAILED, do he has no reason to play fair and not convert his country to be as anti-budiness as possible.

Re:Preserved To Show Who Took over $100 Billion... (2, Insightful)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 2 years ago | (#43128187)

In the same way that Chavez violated the laws of the country and attempted a coup of a lawfully elected government and failed at it. Oh the irony...

Re:Preserved To Show Who Took over $100 Billion... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128205)

Ah, I get it. It's only class war when the people fight back.

Re:Preserved To Show Who Took over $100 Billion... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128043)

"while the citizens who elected Hugo Chavez received no benefit"

They disagree.

Re:Preserved To Show Who Took over $100 Billion... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128079)

Took what from who exactly? You clearly have no understanding of the facts. Typical anti Chavez bullshit. Please STFU with your nonsense.

Take a guess as to how many hundreds of billions have been taken away from US citizens and given to small groups of wealthy persons and corporations. Take a wild guess asshole. The US is by far, BY FAR, the worst of the worst in theivery from its CITIZENS. Not from OIL COMPANIES, from its OWN PEOPLE.

Chavez did nothing of the sort. History will show this.

Re:Preserved To Show Who Took over $100 Billion... (1, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | about 2 years ago | (#43128209)

Yeah, that's the great tragedy of Hugo Chavez. A charismatic leader who entered the scene with wild popularity in his country and could have done so much to change things in his problem-plagued country. Instead he squandered the opportunity.

Re:Preserved To Show Who Took over $100 Billion... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128253)

Don't forget the US. Chavez was giving away oil to the poor in the US [policymic.com] while Obama was busy cutting budgets and safety nets.

Re:Preserved To Show Who Took over $100 Billion... (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128273)

Bullshit. Venezuela did sell oil for cheap to Cuba, but Cuba helped Venezuela with education. Cuba also helped with doctors, although they'd probably send them even without receiving money, since they do a lot of work in poor countries already. The poorest Venezuelans are better off today than when they gave all the oil money to foreign corporations, just look at the numbers. All that and Chavez finally managed to get Venezuela into Mercosur. And before you start it, Chavez won two elections (ending the two party duopolly) so whatever he did had the support of the majority of the people.

Re:Preserved To Show Who Took over $100 Billion... (1, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | about 2 years ago | (#43128339)

And before you start it, Chavez won two elections (ending the two party duopolly) so whatever he did had the support of the majority of the people.

This is a half-truth. It is true that Chavez had support of the majority (though a huge minority hates him, he's a polarizing figure).

However, Venezuela doesn't have freedom of speech. How can the people support or oppose Chavez's policies if they don't even know what he's doing? It's a farce. That is why for democracy, freedom of speech is more important than election processes. Remember even the Soviet Union had elections.

Re:Preserved To Show Who Took over $100 Billion... (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128545)

The first election he won, the opposition did not participate at all. They left because it was a joke and because Chavez assassinated opposition leaders. It was an election of Chavez versus nobody.

In the second election, he rigged the votes so that the ones coming from his supporters counted double or even triple in the final tally. I mean, the last election he won, he got about 35-45% of the votes while the "opposition" (all other parties merged in one single party) had 55-65%.

So stating that Chavez won elections is misinformation, the "red gorilla" or "hugolini" was a fascist that previously participated in a violent revolution to access the power through force. When in power he banned all media and tv that he didn't like, and he had his own tv channel in which he talked for hours and could have sudden urges to "expropiate" or "expulsate" whatever crossed his mind.

Re:Preserved To Show Who Took over $100 Billion... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128613)

No, they left because they already knew he had the popular vote.
As you may know, when the coup happened, people decided they wanted Chavez back in the goverment, and after that, the opposition lost all credibility, was ashamed and defeated.
Back in the day, Chavez was a Marxist, not a fascist.

Re:Preserved To Show Who Took over $100 Billion... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128561)

Yours is a half-truth:

According to Venezuela's Communication Ministry (Minci), some 70% of Venezuela's radio and TV stations are in private hands with just under 5% are state-owned. The rest are community media organisations, most pro-government.
[...]
Opposition broadcasters have been under pressure since a short-lived coup against Mr Chavez in 2002, in which he says they played a key role.

("He says" my ass, even in youtube you can find evidence of that)
Think about it this way: What if a third party won the elections in the U.S.? What would the media do, if they already have bias towards Ds or Rs? If you had the media in the hands of the same people who has the control of the economy, backed by the CIA and the U.S. govt., I guess you wouldn't be very happy...

As I already said [slashdot.org] , you can't have freedom if you don't even have food.

Re:Preserved To Show Who Took over $100 Billion... (1)

MrSteveSD (801820) | about 2 years ago | (#43128635)

How can the people support or oppose Chavez's policies if they don't even know what he's doing?

Well if they watched the privately owned media in Venezuela, they will certainly have no idea what he was doing. The hugely powerful privately owned media spent most of the time writing stories about how he is insane or a criminal. It was the private media that took an active part in the coup attempt against Chavez in 2002. There was plenty of incredibly critical coverage of Chavez in Venezuela, make no mistake about that.

Re:Preserved To Show Who Took over $100 Billion... (1)

manu0601 (2221348) | about 2 years ago | (#43128735)

However, Venezuela doesn't have freedom of speech.

And what is your source for that?

I understand there are many venezuelian medias opposing the governement, and I wonder who managed to make you believe such a blatant fallacy.

Re:Preserved To Show Who Took over $100 Billion... (2)

Gavagai80 (1275204) | about 2 years ago | (#43128487)

Cutting poverty in half is no benefit? You mean the rich received no benefit.

Re:Preserved To Show Who Took over $100 Billion... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128519)

I wonder if you can do this [worldbank.org] :
Millions of people leaving extreme poverty in a short time [venezuelanalysis.com] in an historically poor country [wikipedia.org] , all while you have the people who control prices and products in the opposition (which also means artificial shortages), the CIA and the US govt. actively organizing and paying [wikipedia.org] to disinform [stackexchange.com] and to destroy internal economy and political stability (as they did against Allende in Chile [cia.gov] , and against many other, which is well known and documented [gwu.edu] ), under an international economic crisis, with food prices increasing since (if I recall correctly) 2008, with consumption rising because of people leaving poverty (and, from there, prices), etc.
None in the poor-hating, racist and xenophobe Venezuelan upper class, none of the previous presidents did anything like that before Chavez, they are mostly foreigners who don't care about their own workers (same as in all Latin America).

Cuba didn't receive oil for "free", they gave LOTS of medics and teachers in exchange to Venezuela, and it's the same for every other country: Chavez exchanged help.

How stupid can people be to believe everything media says, knowing that the mass-media and international "news" agencies are controlled by big holding corporations, kept in their place by corporate marketing and PR? Same for Venezuela. The "freedom lovers" there were a little group of the same kind of people and corporations, that was instrumental in the coup attempt [raniakhalek.com] . You can't have real freedom if you don't have basic education, or even food.

Yeah, it's easy to do anything from your computer and/or mouth. Not all has been good, obviously, but Venezuela has changed for good, there is no doubt about that, and even the opposition recognizes it (and even imitates, saying Capriles is a leftist, the same thing Obama has done).

I guess this is the kind of advances [boingboing.net] and the country [ifeveryoneknew.com] you like, don't you?

Yes but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43127931)

How are they planning to preserve his massive ego?

Re:Yes but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128745)

They will replace his penis with a horse cock.

But they don't need to preserve him forever. (1, Funny)

John Hasler (414242) | about 2 years ago | (#43127945)

Until the current "left wing" populist government falls will suffice. The "Right" will promptly bury him. Then when the revolution comes again the "Left" can dig him up and put him back on display, nicely (or nastily) mummified.

Perhaps they should build a pyramid...

Embalming, shudder (4, Interesting)

Ol Biscuitbarrel (1859702) | about 2 years ago | (#43127949)

In high school the essay Behind the Formaldehyde Curtain [hartlandhighschool.us] made a big impression on me; embalming was described as really creepy and artificial, which I suppose it is in any instance, but do they really need to circulate three to six gallons of dyed and perfumed solution of formaldehyde, glycerin, borax, phenol, alcohol and water through the stiff? It was much like when I found out that "milk" on the breakfast cereal on TV was actually glue. We're being scammed! Sort of.

Dumping all that junk into the ground doesn't seem very good for the environment, either - I imagine in the years since (late 60s) the essay was published a bit of attention has been paid to making embalming a bit less toxic - or was that not an issue in the first place? At any rate, cremation for me, thank you - although after losing both parents I've found out that isn't cheap, either.

Re:Embalming, shudder (1)

mabhatter654 (561290) | about 2 years ago | (#43128047)

That's why you are buried in a steel box, inside a waterproof concrete box... So you don't leech into the soil

Re:Embalming, shudder (1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | about 2 years ago | (#43128473)

Since when are coffins made of steel?

Re:Embalming, shudder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128777)

Apparently you've never buried a loved one and browsed the options at a funeral home.

Re:Embalming, shudder (4, Interesting)

ChrisMaple (607946) | about 2 years ago | (#43128315)

Post-death processing is heavily regulated in most states, and like most regulation it tends to drive up prices and limit entry into the field. It is a splendid example of Fascism. My experience is in Connecticut: you can't process the estate to hand out inheritances until you have a death certificate. Only funeral homes can originate death certificates.

Disposing of a corpse should probably cost about $200. In Connecticut, it's over $6000 (year 2009).

Re:Embalming, shudder (1)

ultranova (717540) | about 2 years ago | (#43128807)

Post-death processing is heavily regulated in most states, and like most regulation it tends to drive up prices and limit entry into the field. It is a splendid example of Fascism.

Actually, no it isn't. In fact it has nothing to do with fascism whatsoever. It might, however, be an example of regulatory capture.

Do you just use words like "fascism" randomly with no understanding whatsoever of their meaning?

Re:Embalming, shudder (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 2 years ago | (#43128803)

I decided long ago that after I no longer need my body I'll hand it to some med students. Maybe they can learn something from my mistakes.

I've seen Lenin (1)

OzPeter (195038) | about 2 years ago | (#43127967)

And he looked plastic/waxy to me. So he may be preserved .. but lifelike only goes so far.

Confession (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43127979)

Just like I was rooting for the cancer, I'll be rooting for the bacteria.

Why Try So Hard? (1)

dwye (1127395) | about 2 years ago | (#43127985)

Just make a really good wax head and a fake body, like Madame Tusseau's. Seal the fake up in a thick glass coffin and who will be able to tell the difference?

I started the embalming process years ago (4, Funny)

Grayhand (2610049) | about 2 years ago | (#43127997)

I'm up to single malt whiskey now and plan to switch to Everclear by my 70s. If I drop in my 80s they should be able to prop my corpse in the corner and use it as a coat rack.

Re:I started the embalming process years ago (1)

Gordonjcp (186804) | about 2 years ago | (#43128023)

You're a fucking fire hazard.

I find this rather nauseous... (5, Insightful)

Bearhouse (1034238) | about 2 years ago | (#43128105)

I've been lucky enough to have travelled around the world, including Moscow and Peking.
Never felt the need to visit the chemically-preserved remains of "great" men there.

Can anybody please cite me a truly humane, visionary leader who was embalmed in modern times, for public display?
How about "despots"?
Candidates should include Tito and Ataturk?

Nope, not one. They did not need it, and neither did the population they left behind.

Re:I find this rather nauseous... (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 2 years ago | (#43128175)

Good old Jeremy Bentham [ucl.ac.uk] makes an entertaining visit...

Re:I find this rather nauseous... (3, Funny)

Sulphur (1548251) | about 2 years ago | (#43128463)

Good old Jeremy Bentham [ucl.ac.uk] makes an entertaining visit...

But is it utilitarian?

Re:I find this rather nauseous... (1)

avandesande (143899) | about 2 years ago | (#43128191)

Wanting to have this thing done to their corpse is a clear sign of having a personality disorder.

Re:I find this rather nauseous... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128663)

Except that [slashdot.org] he didn't want to [slashdot.org] ?

Re:I find this rather nauseous... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 2 years ago | (#43128809)

Neither did Lenin. IIRC it was Stalin's idea to put him on display.

Hey, religions need a god. And those Christians only got a corps on a stick, we have ours in a preserving jar!

Re:I find this rather nauseous... (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about 2 years ago | (#43128235)

Mao's Mausoleum is pretty much a standard stop in Tiananmen Square. It's like going to DC and giving the Washington Monument a miss. Are you like that guy who's always talking about how he doesn't own a television?

Re:I find this rather nauseous... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128437)

Oh, the Washington Monument is a creepy preserved decades-old human corpse? I always thought it was just an obelisk.

Re:I find this rather nauseous... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 2 years ago | (#43128813)

It's the fossilized... well, let's say the rest of the corpse is still under ground.

Re:I find this rather nauseous... (2)

SwedishPenguin (1035756) | about 2 years ago | (#43128287)

Chavez has done a lot of good for his country and for getting Latin America out from under the thumb of US domination, he was loved by many, but yes embalming seems a bit over the top, I can see no reason to do this. Keep the spirit of what he was trying to achieve alive, this will be a much better way to honor his memory than by putting his body on display.

Oh and for anyone interested in an in-depth and more balanced story about Chavez than the sound-byte propaganda put out by the mainstream media, read this [thenation.com] excellent article. You may also be interested in watching this [democracynow.org] with Amy Goodman and Democracy Now!

Re:I find this rather nauseous... (1)

mike1222 (2813625) | about 2 years ago | (#43128453)

Those are not "in-depth and more balanced" reports about Chavez, those are propaganda articles written by murder-crazed totalitarians who think Pol Pot was a moderate and that Stalin was too soft on the Kulaks.

Re:I find this rather nauseous... (1)

Marxdot (2699183) | about 2 years ago | (#43128511)

Oh yes, that murder-crazed totalitarian Amy Goodman, and those Stalinist despots at Democracy Now!

Of course Chavez was even worse than Hitler and Pol Pot combined because he didn't give preferential treatment to US businesses and he dared survive the subsequent coup attempt. What a tyrant. A-bloo-fucking-bloo.

Re:I find this rather nauseous... (1)

ChrisMaple (607946) | about 2 years ago | (#43128335)

Can anybody please cite me a truly humane, visionary leader who was embalmed in modern times, for public display?

Nine words too many.

Re:I find this rather nauseous... (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about 2 years ago | (#43128413)

It ain't all that different from having their likeness carved as a statue or even naming an airport or highway after the person. It is the same instinct at work. I think they are all excessive though.

Re:I find this rather nauseous... (1)

snspdaarf (1314399) | about 2 years ago | (#43128445)

Well, Samuel Dinsmoor seems to have been a nice guy. Not sure I would call him a leader, though

Here's hoping (5, Funny)

NotSoHeavyD3 (1400425) | about 2 years ago | (#43128179)

After they have him stuffed they fit him with animatronics so he'll jump up every so often to scare the shit out of tourists.

Re:Here's hoping (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128503)

I was at his wake.
He asked me to make less noise.

Was he dead?
Some said he was; some said he wasn't.

I said nothing; it was none of my business.

Re:Here's hoping (1)

nbauman (624611) | about 2 years ago | (#43128733)

After they have him stuffed they fit him with animatronics so he'll jump up every so often to scare the shit out of tourists.

Didn't they do that with Ronald Reagan?

It stinks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128237)

I tell you...

One word (1)

cigawoot (1242378) | about 2 years ago | (#43128431)

Taxidermy!

Brains.... (0)

mousse-man (632412) | about 2 years ago | (#43128541)

He'll probably crave for brains, never having had any in his life. I mean, he was damn inefficient at redistributing money - like all socialists.

Re:Brains.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43128591)

Well, capitalists are pretty efficient "craving" for everyone's money and resources, aren't they?

Re:Brains.... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 2 years ago | (#43128821)

The only reason capitalists are more efficient at redistributing money is simple self interest. If I redistribute everything to myself, well, DUH, of course I strive for efficiency!

First, get to work quickly. (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 2 years ago | (#43128585)

Make sure he's dead

*BANG!*

Okay, now what?

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