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Brain of Patient H.M. Being Sliced, Streamed Live

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the he-certainly-won't-remember-it dept.

Medicine 199

buswolley writes "The slicing of the brain of the famous amnesic patient H.M. into giant histological sections is now in full swing, and is being streamed live. The brain specimen is frozen and sectioned whole during one continuous session that is expected to last approximately 30 hours."

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And the server crashed under the load! (0)

richardkelleher (1184251) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304516)

Just tried to connect and get a timeout error

Re:And the server crashed under the load! (0, Offtopic)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304538)

get a timeout error

Maybe you already used all three of yours?

Re:And the server crashed under the load! (1)

richardkelleher (1184251) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304730)

I'm sorry, I'm not getting the reference. Right over my head. Completely clueless! Some context to the comment maybe? Three what?

Re:And the server crashed under the load! (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304918)

Primarily an NFL reference I guess. 3 timeouts per half (per team), IIRC. :)

Re:And the server crashed under the load! (1)

richardkelleher (1184251) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305040)

You would think that, having been born in this country and living here for 53 years I would get a football reference, but noooooo. Baseball maybe, but I've never paid much attention to football. Go figure. :)

Re:And the server crashed under the load! (1)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305404)

What was that link again?

Re:And the server crashed under the load! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30304926)

I'm sorry, I'm not getting the reference. Right over my head. Completely clueless! Some context to the comment maybe? Three what?

I think it's an american football reference?

Re:And the server crashed under the load! (1)

bickerdyke (670000) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304988)

oh. *that* kind of football

Re:And the server crashed under the load! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30305024)

Yea you know, the brainless one that is actually fun to play?

Re:And the server crashed under the load! (1)

daeley (126313) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305110)

Yea you know, the brainless one that is actually fun to play?

Rugby? ;)

Re:And the server crashed under the load! (1)

socceroos (1374367) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305222)

Rugby Union to be specific. ;)

Re:And the server crashed under the load! (1)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305582)

Aussie Rules.

Re:And the server crashed under the load! (2, Interesting)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304802)

It is working for me. This is pretty awesome looking

Streaming? Not any more (5, Funny)

cdrudge (68377) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304526)

Well, it was prior to being posted on /.

Re:Streaming? Not any more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30304612)

It has loaded and all 3 cameras are streaming for me.

I am not sure what I am looking at really, but it is playing.. for now.

Re:Streaming? Not any more (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304970)

I'm sure buswolley is avidly against human dissection and posted this story just to crash the video server. It all makes sense, its the perfect plan! The only piece missing from this puzzle is proof!

Re:Streaming? Not any more (1)

buswolley (591500) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305004)

Well, I was hoping it was going to make up for that last neuroanatomy exam.

Re:Streaming? Not any more (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305216)

Is that to say that you didn't do well on an exam where the subject was neuroanatomy,

or that you didn't do well on an examination of YOUR neuroanatomy? (That'd be awkward...)

Re:Streaming? Not any more (1)

buswolley (591500) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305460)

No comment.

Re:Streaming? Not any more (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305026)

Well, it was prior to being posted on /.

Now it's just steaming...soon to be on fire!

Re:Streaming? Not any more (1)

daeley (126313) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305160)

Well, in all fairness, the camera operator got a splitting headache. ;)

H.M.? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30304532)

You mean like, "HM, where am I?"

This is ... (5, Funny)

Conchobair (1648793) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304540)

Zombie Pr0n.

Re:This is ... (1)

buswolley (591500) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304912)

Each slice is fixed in gelatin. Remarkably, it doesnt get damaged as the slice gets crumpled up.

Re:This is ... (2, Insightful)

buswolley (591500) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304966)

Deli Sliced brain though.. yeah definitely for Zombies.

Re:This is ... (2, Funny)

dwywit (1109409) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305618)

Carpaccio for Zombies?

Re:This is ... (2, Funny)

niktemadur (793971) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305714)

Deli Sliced brain

Headcheese, very European.
Or you could do some authentic Mexican food, dice up the brain and toss the chunks into a vat of simmering bone marrow soup, in which case the brains are called sesos.
No joke, I've had this with a dash of lemon and besides being super tasty, it's an incredible hangover recipe, although the amounts of cholesterol involved are ridiculously high.

Speaking of hardcore food from the central Mexico region, the only thing I can think of that I haven't dared try yet are escamoles, a buttery, cheese-like spread made of (wait for it...) ant eggs.
This thing won a culinary competition in Spain a couple of years ago, the judges finding out what they ate and praised only after they handed out the prize. Some of the judges then probably scrambled towards the toilets, head first.
Seriously though, they don't use just any ants, but those that set up their colonies in fields of maguey plants, where mezcal and tequila come from. Call it Mexico's idea of "kosher", I dunno.

So... (4, Funny)

chill (34294) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304562)

I'm guessing H.M. is dead, right? Wasn't this a scene out of Hannibal Lecter? Excuse me while I dig up a good chianti and some fava beans.

Re:So... (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304732)

He's dead now, for sure.

Re:So... (5, Funny)

rattaroaz (1491445) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304804)

Not necessarily. He just doesn't have a brain. He could still be a lawyer.

Re:So... (5, Funny)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304996)

Not necessarily. He just doesn't have a brain. He could still be a lawyer.

Or a Slashdot moderator.

Re:So... (4, Funny)

OakDragon (885217) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305014)

Not necessarily. He just doesn't have a brain. He could still be a lawyer.

Or a Slashdot moderator.

-1 Flamebait

Re:So... (1)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305150)

> -1 Flamebait

No. +5 Troll

Re:So... (1, Funny)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305508)

I'm sorry! The new moderation UI tricked me! I posted to undo it!!

Why couldn't they leave the 'Moderate' button to rest in peace?!?!?!

They could have done it while he was alive ... (4, Funny)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304900)

It's not like he would have remembered anything ...

Re:So... (0, Offtopic)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305868)

Brain of Patient H.M. Being Sliced, Steamed Alive

Not H. M. (4, Funny)

SlowMovingTarget (550823) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304566)

Some gal named Abby Normal...

Re:Not H. M. (2, Interesting)

Eggplant62 (120514) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305112)

And to think, I'm sitting here watching Young Frankenstein on AMC. Good show.

HM (5, Informative)

serviscope_minor (664417) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304574)

For those of you unaware, HM had essentially complete loss of long term memory, but a normal short term/working memory and, curiously the ability to commit long term learning to his motor memory. So, he could learn new motor skills (an example would be juggling, but I do not know if HM learned that particular task), but not high-level memories.

If you're interested in more, then try reading the excellent book: "The man who mistook his wife for his hat".

Re:HM (1)

MWoody (222806) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304680)

Man, that would an awesome movie: they train him to be an assassin. He knows nothing except what's in the folder he's given and, of course, how to KICK ASS. And, uh, do Parkour, since all action heroes can do that now.

Re:HM (4, Informative)

Jahava (946858) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304754)

We can call it 1 / Memento [imdb.com] .

Re:HM (1)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304932)

bastad! you beat me to it!

Re:HM (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305792)

Båstad is a locality and the seat of Båstad Municipality, Skåne County, Sweden with 4,793 inhabitants in 2005. [It] is located in a sheltered bay with the Hallandian ridge stretching behind it. The town borders the shore, whereafter the terrain raises until the dense vegetation of the ridge takes over.

I don't see what bringing a Swedish town [wikipedia.org] into the discussion adds... ;)

Re:HM (1)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 4 years ago | (#30306008)

It has everything to do with it. The swedes were the first to dissect brains, and are also the first in the store on black friday. Needless to say, they are close to this issue.

Bastads!

Re:HM (1)

BradleyUffner (103496) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305468)

Memento was the opposite problem, wasnt it? Long term memory intact, no short term memory.

Re:HM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30305500)

Man, that would an awesome movie: they train him to be an assassin. He knows nothing except what's in the folder he's given and, of course, how to KICK ASS. And, uh, do Parkour, since all action heroes can do that now.

Also sounds just like the comic book character Deadpool [wikipedia.org]

Doesn't really remember his past; Brain is constantly in flux. Forgets missions that he did a month ago. He definitely knows how to kick some proper ass. And say chimichangas. Chimichangas. Chimichangas. That's such a great word. Chimichangas.

Re:HM (1)

pjt33 (739471) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305558)

The Bourne Identity?

Re:HM (4, Informative)

johncadengo (940343) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304728)

Yeah. That was exactly what I was wondering when I read this. A nice link to wikipedia [wikipedia.org] would've been nice.

P.S. UC San Diego. Go Tritons!

Re:HM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30305484)

UCSD!!

Re:HM (1)

chfriley (160627) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305840)

UCSD, APM, Scripps, Black's Beach etc. :-)

Re:HM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30305990)

A nice link to wikipedia [wikipedia.org] would've been nice.

You mean like the first link in the summary?

Re:HM (1)

gnapster (1401889) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305994)

You lucky dog! (5, Informative) for linking to the same wiki page as the summary! Your methods intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Re:HM (1)

Kenoli (934612) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305220)

I knew that.

Re:HM (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30305732)

I am a neuroscientist, seriously don't read that book, its filled with of exaggeration and confabulation. Oliver Sacks writes well enough to entertain the un-informed but his work is more fiction than not.

There are so many better books out there for the layperson.

I recommend this book http://tinyurl.com/yjfo44p

Mirror (4, Informative)

NiteMair (309303) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304592)

Re:Mirror (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30305198)

Mirror points to original site for content...damn.

Re:Mirror (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30305466)

No, it does have the live feed there - it's just nothing is currently happening (currently a paper taped over the machine).

Re:Mirror (1)

Luminary Crush (109477) | more than 4 years ago | (#30306000)

And thus dies the mirror site after a brave fight against the hoards of Slashdotters with a sense of morbid curiousity.

Great! (1)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304646)

It's 6PM here and my suppertime. I think I'll pass.

department of redunancy (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30304656)

I'm not seeing the redundancy anywhere?

Pity it's a week late... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30304660)

This is like a foodtv thanksgiving marathon for zombies!

they should record a video (1)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304666)

and a progressive walkthrough the layers like an MRI, upload it to youtube or something

Re:they should record a video (2, Interesting)

MillionthMonkey (240664) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305322)

If you want a movie of successive MRI layers, you can check out this animated GIF of an MRI scan of my own head (sagittal plane). [photobucket.com]

Re:they should record a video (4, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305916)

Correct, watching the slicing is not really the point of this. What they do is make a bunch of very thin slices, scan them, then make a 3d computer image which can be viewed in cross section from any angle, or you can use algorithms to isolate given structures in the brain, estimate their volume, etc etc.

Braaiinnssss...... (1)

rts008 (812749) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304668)

Zombie Food TV at it's finest!

Henry Gustav Molaison (3, Informative)

phizi0n (1237812) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304690)

I had to go through 3 links just to find the poor guy's name. http://www3.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/nov/30/hm-recollected-famous-amnesic-launches-bold-new-br/ [signonsandiego.com]

Re:Henry Gustav Molaison (1)

cshay (79326) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305806)

It's been on Wikipedia for one year (since one day after he died). Prior to that only VIPs knew it.

Limited bandwidth and limited prospective audiance (0, Flamebait)

pecosdave (536896) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304706)

at least legitimate prospective audience, and it's going to last for 30 hours.

Then, some ass-hat goes and post it on fucking SLASHDOT!

Re:Limited bandwidth and limited prospective audia (1)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305676)

They must require the same server to do the slicing.

It now says:

We are going to cut through the entire brain over the next 50 hours.

Re:Limited bandwidth and limited prospective audia (2, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305962)

The video is working just fine for me. Besides, there really isn't a "legitimate" audience for this; you can't do any brain science by watching the video, its value is purely as a curiosity whether you're a brain surgeon.

brain structures (1)

thelonious (233200) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304794)

Given how much research has been done showing the remarkable way brain damaged patients have had their brains automatically "rewire" themselves around injured components, just how much is expected to be learned from structure?

Re:brain structures (2, Informative)

simcop2387 (703011) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304910)

about the normal brain structures? maybe none, BUT they might learn how his brain rewired itself, and get an idea of what areas of the brain weren't connected anymore to get a better idea of why he had no long term memory (and provide information about how the brain actually does that!), it at the very least might shed light on how the brain forms those connections

sectioned while alive? (1)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304800)

Wow I misread the headline and thought it said the brain is being sectioned alive.
Now THAT would be worth streaming.

Re:sectioned while alive? (4, Funny)

HawkinsD (267367) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304978)

I thought the same thing. Nowhere in the summary does it say that the patient is deceased.

May I suggest a clarification?

The slicing the brain of the famous amnesic patient H.M. WHO IS FRICKIN' DEAD into giant histological sections...

Re:sectioned while alive? (1)

skine (1524819) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305978)

They do call his brain a specimen, and state that it's frozen.

However I think the part where it says they're SLICING UP THE FRICKIN' GUY'S BRAIN might give it away.

Exactly how long? (1)

Alcohol Fueled (603402) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304890)

Summary: "... is expected to last approximately 30 hours."
Then from the page: "We are going to cut through the entire brain over the next 50 hours."

Glad we've got our time frames together.

Re:Exactly how long? (4, Funny)

camperdave (969942) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305034)

The difference is the commercials.

Is that headline correct? (1)

unitron (5733) | more than 4 years ago | (#30304942)

So is this guy's name H.M. Brain?

Re:Is that headline correct? (1)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305006)

No. Its Abe Normal.

Organ donation (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30304986)

So I can't help but wonder how they got HM to consent to organ donation ? Did they ask him everyday until his death ? Or perhaps he got "organ donor" tattooed on his body ?

Re:Organ donation (2, Funny)

buswolley (591500) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305036)

Yeah good question. I suspect that they might have tricked him by a process of implicit motor learning.

Re:Organ donation (5, Interesting)

Tynin (634655) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305164)

I cannot find the article that goes over it, but I recall reading about him some time ago. During the interview he was quite aware of his condition, after all he remembers everything that happened prior to his surgery to help control his seizures. He basically said that he wanted to help the doctors better understand his condition in any way that could be beneficial because that information could help other people. Wish I could find the article, as I do believe he had enough understanding and did give permission.

Wasn't this a movie? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30305042)

Wasn't there a movie about this guy that starred Adam Sandler? 50 First Dates. Or something like that.

This reminds me of something I've seen before ... (1)

timothy (36799) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305114)

Shave ice!

Also, a server connected to the internet ala recent bad THE INTERNET horror movies, where every hit makes the hammer (shown on web cam) whack on the chassis of the server, or (distressingly!) shave off part of its brain.

timothy

Necessary? (2, Insightful)

seven of five (578993) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305122)

With MRI, CAT scans, etc, is this ghoulish exercise really necessary anymore?

Re:Necessary? (1)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305202)

Not ghoulish: merely clinical. And yes, it is necessary. No non-invasive technology can resolve the neurons.

Re:Necessary? (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305262)

With MRI, CAT scans, etc, is this ghoulish exercise really necessary anymore?

Medical imaging is fantastic technology but it does not replace what you can see when you actually cut something up and take away layers of other material between you and the object being observed

We still have to do painful biopses on live patients too, despite all the medical imaging technology. My father in law's just had 20 pieces of his prostate taken out through his rectum. (Given the entry/exit path, start you on strong anti-biotics before the procedure). He's an intelligent man and I guarantee you he wouldn't be going through that agony for no good reason.

Real life's not like Startrek or CSI.

Re:Necessary? (5, Informative)

Pronkzilla (1219910) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305270)

I am a pathology resident who has done about ten autopsies and from my limited experience I can say that this practice is absolutely necessary. The reasoning behind sectioning the brain is to obtain tissue for histologic examination (i.e. under a microscope). This is done to correlate clinical or radiologic findings with actual disease processes. A simple example would be a case of a small brain hemorrhage, where the radiologist thinks he/she sees some bleeding in a certain area of the brain. On autopsy, we can slice up the brain, take sections to be processed and placed on a glass slide, and actually look at the brain microscopically to confirm that there was indeed hemorrhage in the area of brain suspected by the radiologist. Also, brain sectioning/microscopic evaluation can reveal lesions or abnormalities that are not visible to the radiologist (i.e. early Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, etc.)

Re:Necessary? (2, Funny)

RobVB (1566105) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305282)

You damn youngsters don't even know how to have some fun anymore...

Obligatory quote (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305140)

"Mmmmm.... Brains! (drool)" -- Zombie Homer Simpson

Shaved ice (1)

Kenoli (934612) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305286)

Finally a delicious cold treat for zombies.

Nice headline (2, Funny)

aylons (924093) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305488)

Brain of Patient H.M. Being Sliced, Streamed Live At first, I understood that his brain was sliced and streamed (just like pasta) while he was still alive. It only took a second, but was an indeed creepy thought.

I just donated for 10 slices worth (1)

Slutticus (1237534) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305564)

Can't wait to see the results. I remember this guy from my cognitive psychology course.

Re:I just donated for 10 slices worth (1)

adamdoyle (1665063) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305822)

Can't wait to see the results. I remember this guy from my cognitive psychology course.

maybe, but he doesn't remember you...

uhhhhhhhh... (1)

adosch (1397357) | more than 4 years ago | (#30305708)

Should I be making popcorn and get a glass of soda for this? I've said this before... "...only on the internet would I *ever* be exposed to see this."

Re:uhhhhhhhh... (1)

trouser (149900) | more than 4 years ago | (#30306020)

Turns out you don't need to be exposed to see this. I watched it fully clothed.

Screw Up? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30305784)

It seems like something is not working right. I started to watch at 00:15 GMT and they just started after a break.However, the slice got all rolled-up and the woman in red obviously didn't like it. And afterwards they kept changing speeds but it still doesn't seem to be working.

Would be interesting how they account for the missing brain...

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