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Creationism Museum Opening in Kentucky

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the see-where-you-are-wrong-is-everywhere dept.

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Noel Linback writes "A new creationism-espousing museum is opening in the state of Kentucky. According to a New York Times article the museum depicts humans and dinosaurs living together in traditional 'diorama' style exhibit. 'Whether you are willing to grant the premises of this museum almost becomes irrelevant as you are drawn into its mixture of spectacle and narrative. Its 60,000 square feet of exhibits are often stunningly designed by Patrick Marsh, who, like the entire museum staff, declares adherence to the ministry's views; he evidently also knows the lure of secular sensations, since he designed the Jaws and King Kong attractions at Universal Studios in Florida. For the skeptic the wonder is at a strange universe shaped by elaborate arguments, strong convictions and intermittent invocations of scientific principle. For the believer, it seems, this museum provides a kind of relief: Finally the world is being shown as it really is, without the distortions of secularism and natural selection. '"

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On the other hand, they also make great Bourbon. (4, Funny)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285573)

I mean, the whiskey has to count for SOMETHING, right?

Re:On the other hand, they also make great Bourbon (1, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285629)

Again, not to worry, this is just entertainment. Disneyland North, if you will.

Designed by a former Universal Studios exhibit director, this state-of-the-art 60,000 square foot museum brings the pages of the Bible to life. A fully engaging, sensory experience for guests. Murals and realistic scenery, computer-generated visual effects, over fifty exotic animals, life-sized people and dinosaur animatronics, and a special-effects theater complete with misty sea breezes and rumbling seats. These are just some of the impressive exhibits that everyone in your family will enjoy.

If having state-of-the-art special effects and fake sea breezes makes you happy, then go for it. Probably would be cheaper and more effective to just down a fifth of bourbon, but this is for the whole family.

Re:On the other hand, they also make great Bourbon (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285827)

heh. Did you see the "dragon hall" ?
dragon hall [nytimes.com]

I guess the dragons didn't make it to the ark because they followed the unicorns.

Re:On the other hand, they also make great Bourbon (5, Informative)

kennygraham (894697) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285909)

several groups (both religious and secular) will be protesting [rallyforreason.com] . come join us!

Re:On the other hand, they also make great Bourbon (0, Offtopic)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285931)

And fried chicken, mmmm...

The museum was built in 6 days (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285581)

And they rested on the seventh, but that was due to union regulations.

Contractors might disagree (2, Funny)

Lurker2288 (995635) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285655)

Some of the contractors might tell you it actually took a lot longer, but Satan just sent them here to deceive us.

Re:The museum was built in 6 days (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285811)

"And they rested on the seventh, but that was due to union regulations."

You think they'd hire such liberal leftists to build something so important? No, the workers worked all seven days, after which they were dropped back off at the Home Depot parking lot where they were found.

Re:The museum was built in 6 days (1)

Teppic_52 (982950) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285959)

They weren't resting, they were signing on. 6 days; the job must have been a terrible one, they were clearly all cowboys and got fired.

Heading off at the pass (5, Informative)

conigs (866121) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285585)

Just remember: not everyone who partakes in Christianity (big C or little c) believes the world was created 4,000 years ago. Some of us actually believe in evolution. (Well, us non-fundies anyway.)

Re:Heading off at the pass (5, Funny)

Ice Wewe (936718) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285637)

Wait... wait... wait. You're telling me that some Christians believe in evolution? Hmm, so if you're willing to compromise on evolution, why not gay marriage?
That's it, I'm starting the Homosexual Creationism Museum which honors homosexual Neanderthals and dinosaurs.
I think that's a fair compromise.

Re:Heading off at the pass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285695)

Note: I am about the least Christian person that you will ever meet.

That being said, I think when a Christian demonstrates the ability to not think in black and white and exercise a bit of common sense, they should be applauded instead of attacked.

It's not a compromise (1)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285697)

Your post was funny, but it's not a "compromise" position. Some christians believe that the bible contains the truths necessary for salvation, but a theory of the origin of biological diversity is not among those.

Re:It's not a compromise (5, Insightful)

Paradise Pete (33184) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285913)

Some christians believe that the bible contains the truths necessary for salvation

If there is a salvation to be had, here is the secret: Be kind to each other.
What else could possibly matter?

Any God that cares if you worshipped him doesn't deserve the position.

Re:Heading off at the pass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285639)

I guess, then, that you define fundamentalist as "someone who believes the bible"? If you're unsure of the start, what makes you sure of the end?

Re:Heading off at the pass (5, Insightful)

conigs (866121) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285859)

I normally don't respond to ACs, but here goes:
In its broadest sense, a fundamentalist is someone who believes that unvarying principles must apply to all people or every situation, in this case, the Bible as absolute truth. So, if someone believes every word of the Bible is absolute truth and nothing is metaphorical, simplified in terms that the people of the time would understand, and was completely accurate in its translation from language to language, then that would qualify them as a fundamentalist in my mind. In general, there is nothing wrong with that. I see no problem with believing what you believe. It's when you force that belief on other people that causes problems. Open discussion of beliefs on the other hand, is good for everyone involved.
Now, what do I believe? I am a Christian, but I believe there is one problem with the Bible: it was physically written be humans. This means two primary things to me:
  1. It could only be written in terms that the person writing it could understand. This could lead to simplification of concepts. For example, in the story of creation, seven days may not necessarily equate to seven 24-hour periods. It could just mean seven stages, where each stage could take years, centuries, millenniums, etc.
  2. Because humans are flawed, some of those who physically wrote the Bible may have injected their views of the world into it. It then becomes a problem to decipher what may have been written by a human voice and not God's. This can only be done through self reflection which will be different for each person.
This is just what I believe and I have no expectations of other people to accept or adhere to this belief. This is where I depart from fundamentalists.

Pastafarian Objections. (0)

twitter (104583) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285643)

Great, but did they get the FSM [venganza.org] right? If not, they must be cast into the great pot.

Re:Heading off at the pass (2, Funny)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285653)

Agreed

"The other catastrophe, in the museum's view, is of more recent vintage: the abandonment of the Bible by church figures who began to treat the story of creation as if it were merely metaphorical, and by Enlightenment philosophers, who chipped away at biblical authority"

As a poet, I'm offended by the phrase "merely" metaphorical.

Re:About the Bible (1, Interesting)

arthurpaliden (939626) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285701)

You are aware of course that the Bible, as we know it today, was a govenment project........

Re:About the Bible (2, Insightful)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285745)

That would explain why all the prophets were put to death for criticizing the government of their day.

Re:About the Bible (2, Interesting)

microsoft_hater (1101657) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285939)

You're both joking, but you're absolutely right. Christopher Hitchens once said in an interview: "Yes, and the Seventh-Day Adventists, who descended from the Millerites. I can see that Scientology now enjoys charitable status as a religion, which I think is a real triumph. I can't get over that. You can set some idea of what it would have been like to live in third-century Nicea when Christianity was being hammered together - an experience I am very glad I did not have. Religious diversity is confused with pluralism. Because of multi-culturalism and what is called "political correctness," religion has a certain protection that it couldn't expect to have if it was a state-sponsored racket like the Church of England." Not that it's cool to be an apologist for oil wars or anything, but the guy *really* likes the Kurds...

There is the *REAL* problem (1, Interesting)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285737)

"...and by Enlightenment philosophers, who chipped away at biblical authority"
- emphasis mine

I always question that phrase; who gave the bible authority? I'm reasonably certain of my history, and in this case, it was mankind who gave the bible any authority at all, if it really has any.

That question is more important than the question of what truth's if any, does it hold.

Now *that is a fascinating topic (1)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285855)

I disagree that the acquisition of authority by the bible, or any text, can be simplified as a "gift" by mankind. Now, the most pernicious abuses of the bible were in cases where it was the authority of the sword (convert or die) that was spreading its ... "adoption" as an authority.

To get more particular, one must divide up the question: whence its authority *to *speak *on __________ ?

On scientific issues, it acquires authority insofar as its statements are intersubjectively confirmable, falsifiable, and corroborated by other disinterested stories. e.g. there are plenty of historical statements that are verifiable through other means. But the Young Earth hypothesis doesn't really pass this test (the Young Earth hypothesis, btw, is a relatively recent addition to christian thought).

On moral issues, I think it acquires authority insofar as its statements ring true with human experience. The golden Rule has got legs and is mirrored in almost every moral tradition. The stuff about sequestering women as "unclean" during their menstrual emmissions, not so much...

Re:Now *that is a fascinating topic (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285983)

So I should be down with anything I agree with(this is a reasonable interpretation of both 'verifiable' historical statements and 'ring true with human experience)?

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/jesus_m yth_history.htm [rationalrevolution.net]

Re:Heading off at the pass (0, Troll)

Richard W.M. Jones (591125) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285707)

Just remember: not everyone who partakes in Christianity (big C or little c) believes the world was created 4,000 years ago. Some of us actually believe in evolution. (Well, us non-fundies anyway.)

Right, but you still need to believe in the Big Sky Daddy -- just as ridiculous.

Rich.

Re:Heading off at the pass (1)

mustafap (452510) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285735)

>Just remember: not everyone who partakes in Christianity (big C or little c) believes the world was created 4,000 years ago

Only the ones who do not know the word "allegory"

Evidently there is at least one such person but I suspect the vast silent majority of C/c's do.

Re:Heading off at the pass (1)

mustafap (452510) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285759)

damm. Didn't hit the preview button first. Someone put me out of my misery and mod me out of existance.

Re:Heading off at the pass (1)

Paradise Pete (33184) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285829)

Didn't hit the preview button first.

I take it you meant the opposite of what you wrote.

Re:Heading off at the pass (1)

mustafap (452510) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285957)

No, because if I had I would have realised I'd miss-read the post I was criticising.

Re:Heading off at the pass (5, Insightful)

catbutt (469582) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285785)

Well the whole thing about God being perfect, but making humans flawed, blaming humans for being flawed, and then punishing someone else to make up for those flaws .....that seems a tad silly as well.

Or do you just consider Christianity the idea that we should be nice to each other? Because I don't think Jesus invented that concept.

Re:Heading off at the pass (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285833)

If you do not believe what you read in the bible, then by what right do you call yourself a Christian? It sounds to me like you are a "Christian" by name only, enough to assuage your guilty liberal conscience but no more.

Re:Heading off at the pass (1)

conigs (866121) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285887)

See my post above [slashdot.org] for clarification on this issue.

Re:Heading off at the pass (4, Insightful)

nattt (568106) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285895)

The logic and reasoning that points to the earth not being 4000 years old, and the logic and reasoning that points to evolution being what actually happened, also allow us to see through the charade that is christianity though. Now, if you were a deist, I could amost accept that, but christianity is just a bunch of made up stories. At least the fundies take their holy book by it's word. If you pick and choose from the Bible, you're demonstrating that you yourself have a much better sense of morals than the god you worship. If you've ditched the nasty bits of the Bible already, why not go the whole distance and ditch the rest. You know you want to!

Re:Heading off at the pass (1)

conigs (866121) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285995)

See my reply to an AC [slashdot.org] for further clarification on how I view the Bible.

I'll be the first to admit that the primary reason I am Christian is because I was raised that way. Are there other religions out there that may be correct? Definitely. However, because of my personal history (which I am not about to poorly summarize on a /. post), I am still sticking with Christianity. Religion is a deeply personal topic, and the discussion of it can offend/enrage people very easily, so I'm trying to keep this light.

What I will say, though, is that religion itself was created be humans. Humans are inherently flawed. Therefor religion may be flawed as well.*


*I believe faith, on the other hand, is what is created by God. Will these words come back to bite me in the ass? Probably. But it's what I believe, and beliefs are difficult to explain or concretely prove.

As long as it's private. (2, Insightful)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285589)

Or in other words: I really don't care about this "museum", but get the fuck out of our public education!

Re:As long as it's private. (2, Interesting)

User 956 (568564) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285761)

What I don't get is, why do creationists have such an obvious hatred for science, and yet they have a compulsion to explain their own beliefs using scientific-sounding words and scientific-looking venues?

That's what's so absurd about this whole thing. Nearly everything in that museum is owed to real science. From the depictions of ancient creatures and people, to the actual robotics and materials used in their construction.

You can't pick and choose which parts of science you like, and which parts of science you don't like. Talk about the ultimate hypocrisy.

Re:As long as it's private. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285865)

> why do creationists have such an obvious hatred for science

They don't, unless you assume that evolution is scientific fact. Evolution is a _theory_, and fortunately science consists of more than theories.

Re:As long as it's private. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285897)

"why do creationists have such an obvious hatred for science"

same old slashdot users ..... with their unbelievable assertions..

Assert
"creationists don't hate science."

Support
Well you could google for creationist scientists ..
but even better if you want to expand your mind how about reading some of the works of Johnathan Edwards ( and don't give up because of the 'funny' english style).

Or you could just continue behaving unsciectificaly .. as so many people do ... which is and would be a massive shame..

Re:As long as it's private. (0, Troll)

jkorz (1088471) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285901)

Creationists love science. We object to lies. In particular, the one that tells our children that even though nobody has ever observed it (observation = science) life came about on its own. Your evolutionist religion takes more faith to believe in than mine! Science is only science when someone can perform an experiment and observe results that coincide with their hypothesis. This experiment must be able to be repeated by other scientists. Evolution is not scientific as none of it has EVER been observed (other than changes in a particular kind of animal over time, which is adaptation, not evolution), it is a matter of faith. Creation takes faith too, but at least we don't make up lies (gill slits, geologic column, "missing links") to support our faith and erase the line between theory and fact. We definitely don't use your tax dollars to support our faith either!

In short, evolution is NOT science, it is a feeble theory surviving on tax dollars made up and supported by people who want to justify their wicked lifestyles. Christians hate LIES, we love science.

Re:As long as it's private. (1)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285941)

>What I don't get is, why do creationists have such an obvious hatred for science, and yet they have a compulsion to explain their own beliefs using scientific-sounding words and scientific-looking venues?

The short answer is Argument From Authority. Fundamentalists in particular are taught not to think for themselves; to accept the teaching of the preacher. Although they claim to be "Bible based," it is the authority of the preacher that tells the fundamentalist congregant what the bible means. This creates a problem with scientific authority.

The solution, for these folks, is to try to create an alternative argument from scientific authority, hence the oxymoronic "creation science." Look at how many of these charlatans sport cereal box "doctorates" from diploma mills. A good example is Kent Hovind, Dr.Dino. Other examples abound.

Re:As long as it's private. (1)

CommunistHamster (949406) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285927)

I disagree. There is a place for creationism in schools - in the Religious Education lessons. Here in Britain, Religious Education is compulsory to some degree up to the age of 16. The lessons teach pupils about various religious traditions and histories, treating each religion equally. I've heard this should be instituted in the States because it prompts pupils to examine their own religion in the light that it is "just another religion among many", with nothing making it the Absolute Truth.

I do think this answers one question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285601)

That slashdot needs more pageviews ATM.
Be back tomorrow!!!

So where are the cave drawings? (5, Insightful)

arthurpaliden (939626) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285609)

We have lots of cave drawings of man with impressive animals like wooly mamoths and the like. So why are there not cave drawings of man with really impressive animals like the dinasaurs. I mean I I was impressed enought to paint the large elephant like creature you would think that a 20' high meat eating moster would at least reate a few pictures.

Re:So where are the cave drawings? (5, Funny)

Sunburnt (890890) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285623)

We have lots of cave drawings of man with impressive animals like wooly mamoths and the like. So why are there not cave drawings of man with really impressive animals like the dinasaurs.

Satan.

See, isn't this easier than thinking?

Re:So where are the cave drawings? (2, Funny)

Tatisimo (1061320) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285813)

You'd think that being the master of deception he'd at least be able to draw more than rough stick figures and such. Satan needs art classes. Or maybe it's because he was younger and less experienced back then...

Re:So where are the cave drawings? (5, Funny)

Icarus1919 (802533) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285641)

The dinosaurs wouldn't uh... stand still long enough. Cave-men drawn pictures are time-exposed shots.

Re:So where are the cave drawings? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285677)

This is what happened.. back then, man was Lonely. It was hard to tell Woman from Man due to the beards everyone sported. And everyone likes to snuggle up to something warm at night. The Mammoth was a docile creature, if a little on the large side.. but still, they rarely complained, and always put out. Man grew fond of the Mammoth, and in time-honoured tradition, painted and carved lovers' symbols on rocks and walls. Now.. whilst the larger Meat Eating dinosaurs were around, they were _ugly_.. and they had rotten breath too. No-one wanted to admit to sleeping with them, so they conducted clandestine affairs, and never drew pictures of them. The End.

Re:So where are the cave drawings? (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285791)

Maybe they were too busy running away to get a good look at it?

Re:So where are the cave drawings? (1)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285951)

If you can see it, then it can see you. A quick dinner, and no one is left to paint the picture.

One question about this story: (1)

NickCatal (865805) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285617)

Why is the dinosaur eating a golf ball?

Re:One question about this story: (4, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285783)

Since God gave man dominion over the earth, it wouldn't look right if a dinosaur was eating a man. If the museum flops, it can always be turned into a minature golf course.

Re:One question about this story: (1)

Sporkinum (655143) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285817)

Unfortunately, my mod points just expired today. That is a putt-putt course I'd make a pilgrimage to.

My favourite quote (4, Interesting)

toby (759) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285633)

"It's a great place for children who are in public school and haven't really decided what to believe yet."

Who ya gonna believe! GOD or some hairy liberal professor! [scienceblogs.com]

Welcome to the 21st Century, America!

Re:My favourite quote (2, Insightful)

Icarus1919 (802533) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285673)

The past is the future. Ignorance is strength.

Anybody else (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285647)

just wish the muslims and christians would start fighting each other again and get it over with? Just leave all of us with a clue out of it. I guess not many people realize the muslims still owe them over 200 years of opression, what with the crusades being shown in the typical WASP fashion.

Yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285665)

We've had this before [slashdot.org] , the bellman impatiently said. New article perhaps, but same content.

Not going there (1)

gone.fishing (213219) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285675)

I'll let these folks have their museum, they (like me) have the right to free speach and can exercise it as they wish. I just hope that no public money was used in the building of this shrine.

I'm not positive that science has everything right but as far as I know, humans are a much later development than the dinosaurs. Mixing the two seems sort of cartoonish at best and ignorant at worst. Based on this, I do not think that the museum will win any "converts" that had been sitting on the fence. The propoganda is too easily disproven.

Re:Not going there (5, Insightful)

Tony (765) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285863)

I'm not positive that science has everything right. . .

That's the great thing about science: neither do scientists! They don't know what they have right, either. Isn't that a fucking hoot?

What they know is what *makes sense* based on observed facts. The epistemology of science is simple: if your explanation is contradicted by observation, it is not true. Otherwise, it *might* be true.

That's it. Nothing is ever "proven." It's just that some things only have one current explanation, and so we use those as our working assumptions. If another explanation comes around that isn't contradicted by the *observable facts*, that explanation is also considered.

Human nature makes us sure of ourselves-- sometimes *too* sure. But, for the most part, the scientific method, and the knowledge gained from that method, are self-correcting.

And that is why this museum can never win any converts from those who understand science. Their explanations do not cover the observable facts.

Re:Not going there (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285999)

important point.

someone should mod up parent.

No... (1)

C10H14N2 (640033) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285881)

Mixing the two seems sort of cartoonish at best and ignorant at worst.

It is ignorant at BEST. God only knows the /worst/ that perpetuating this sort of nonsense can create.

what I find odd (3, Insightful)

nanosquid (1074949) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285679)

What I find odd is that the same people that promote this unscientific kind of bullshit still want the benefits of science and technology.

Re:what I find odd (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285755)

Unscientific bullshit? I saw film of Raquel Welch proving the co-existence of man and dinosaurs years ago so it must be true.

the Real Jesus... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285687)

most non-christians and even many christians don't really know the real Jesus. There's a perception that he's gentle and kind and meek...but that isn't the savior you get to know when you really get up to the higher tiers of a REAL Christian church. We know our Jesus. He was ripped, aggressive, a take-no-prisoners-in-your-face kind of guy. And why not? He was god, he had the truth, can't argue with that! Yes, you non-believers (or unenlighted faux-believers) can wallow in your ineffectual caricature of our Christ, being "charitable" to the lazy and satanic poor, and promoting hellish pacifism...but we'll be down at our Kentucky museum observing truth, smashing whiskey bottles on the Devil's head, cuttin down some trees to burn some scientific lies, and paving an extra-wide thoroughfare to heaven for us and our kids!...Have fun taking the rutty dirt path to hell...sinners.

God rested from creating (Gen 2:1-3) (1)

microsoft_hater (1101657) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285689)

I always wondered why God had to rest... Maybe I need to go down to Kentucky and find out! Also, I never understood why "sea creatures and birds" required their own separate day... But hell, once you start asking these questions, it's just endless so I'll stop now and go watch some Finches evolve while the Kreationist Kentuckians struggle to maintain consciousness....

Re:God rested from creating (Gen 2:1-3) (1)

Tony (765) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285773)

I always wondered why God had to rest...

Ob Bill Hicks:

"There it is, my creation, perfect and holy in all ways. Now, I can rest."

(pause)

"Oh, my me. I left fucking pot everywhere. I should never have smoked that joint on the third day. Shit! If I leave pot everywhere that's gonna to give people the impression they're supposed to *use* it."

(pause)

"Now I have to create Republicans."

Re:God rested from creating (Gen 2:1-3) (1)

microsoft_hater (1101657) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285851)

Nice. Bill Hicks was absolutely brilliant, relentless and utterly unrestrained. He would surely squeeze a brutal joke out of this new, "wonderful" museum, if he were still around... RIP

Almost funny... (5, Interesting)

John3 (85454) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285699)

Ken Ham (President of Answers in Genesis, sponsor of the museum) would be amusing to watch if he wasn't so scary. There was a segment in the documentary "Friends of God" which showed Ken speaking to a group of children [youtube.com] about dinosaurs and evolution. His logical argument to the children was that since scientists weren't around 4,000 years ago but god was then we have to believe god and not the scientists.

"Intelligent Design" groups have been running tours through legitimate museums, providing their own narrative in order to dispute the information provided by the museum displays. Maybe after this museum opens some atheist tour group so do the same thing...take tours through Ken's "museum" and provide scientific narrative to dispute his biblical nonsense.

Re:Almost funny... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285807)

I can prove scientists exist.

Re:Almost funny... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285955)

"Intelligent Design" groups have been running tours through legitimate museums, providing their own narrative in order to dispute the information provided by the museum displays. Maybe after this museum opens some atheist tour group so do the same thing...take tours through Ken's "museum" and provide scientific narrative to dispute his biblical nonsense.

I find both those scenarios acceptable -- the museums have the ability to kick anyone out at any time (provided they're not publicly-owned). Freedom to believe what you want doesn't mean you have to adhere to facts. You'll simply do so naturally if you're rational.

Finally -- I can't help but pick on you for this -- since when did you have to be an atheist to disregard creationism as nonsense?

Irrational arguments will always win (2, Insightful)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285717)

For every argument made against irrationality, there will always be irrational arguments made to contest the rational. There is no way of winning against the irrational. So it goes. Religion will always win so long as the human mind is irrational.

Re:Irrational arguments will always win (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285743)

If we can prove Ken is sqrt(2), then we can prove he is irrational, using proof by contradiction !

Theme Park (1)

Ksevio (865461) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285721)

So it's sort of like Disneyland with a Old Testament theme going on?

funding (1)

rasputin465 (1032646) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285727)

How, exactly, did these nutjobs scrape together the heaps of money that must have been required to build this carnival side-show?

Or... maybe I underestimate the spending power of the evangelicals.

Re:funding (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285777)

Have you ever seen their TV shows? A lot of them spend a lot of time begging for money. Dial 1-800-GOD-BOOK to give to this ministry! In the 80's Jim Bakker and his wife had a lot of money from the "ministry" and lived extravagently. To give an example, I think their dog house was air-conditioned.

Thats extreamist for you.... (1)

3seas (184403) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285733)

...if there is anything as real evidence of there being anything to creationism, its the exhibit itself.

See, we can create things that we can imagine!

And sometime in the distant future, if man doesn't destroy himself first, we may just come to understand physics enough and develop such technology that enables us to create a new galaxy and live long enough to see it evolve and even influence it and the life in it.

But Why? Survival instinct of conscious beings! What else could it be?
Today we play on the fence of whether or not we get past the self destructive waring mentality....

If the universe exist and no one is there to see it, does it matter?

It's a shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285741)

How come all of these out of state fucks had to bring this here?

Big tobacco tactics? (1)

ushering05401 (1086795) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285815)

Models of kids are apparently interspersed with friendly looking dinos at the museum... kinda like cigarette companies used to use friendly cartoon animals to promote their agendas to young minds.

Which leads me to wonder...

How similar will the agenda at this high profile (Google News front page, Slashdot front page, BBC front page) museum be? Will there be attempts to assault the scientific data for evolution, or will there be an innocent theme park feel to the whole thing?

Are we looking at religious people expressing their beliefs or a group beginning a new phase of the ongoing war for the minds of American children ala big tobacco through the middle of last century.

Regards.

Even though it's not accurate (1)

sokoban (142301) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285823)

You know, even though this museum isn't scientifically accurate, it looked pretty cool on the news tonight. They have one exhibit with a human and a dinosaur hanging out together.

In 6 months (1)

GregPK (991973) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285831)

In other news the controversial creationism musuem in Kentucky has closed due to lack of interest. While being replaced with a new evolution museum paid for by scientists around the country. Due to open in the fall of 08. :)

Reverse Tithing (1)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285839)

Another fine tradition, fleecing the flock. Just how much of this is pushing a religious agenda and how much is a money making scheme? Overall if your faith in religion is based on something that defies not only science but common sense I'd re-examine your religous beliefs. If all the evidence says you are wrong it's not faith it's delusion.

If you divorce your wife in Kentucky... (1)

ismism (947992) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285841)

...is she still your sister?

Best Protest (4, Interesting)

moehoward (668736) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285857)


The best way to protest this is to get a couple thousand people to show up there and laugh for 5 minutes on queue. I recall a similar protest was done in India some years ago and it is brilliant.

Just laugh as hard as you can at them for 5 minutes. Rinse. Repeat.

Re:Best Protest (1)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285921)

Actually, the best protest is simply not to go to the museum.

I mean, we all know the Scientologists are a bunch of wackos, too, but you don't go laugh for five minutes outside Tom Cruise's house, do you?

So, what exactly is wrong with it? (0, Troll)

guruevi (827432) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285861)

I don't see any problem with this museum, at least not worthy of /. main page. I can probably expect a lot of -1 Trolls on this post, but my +1 Insightful view on it is this:

They basically take evolutionism, replace big bang with God orderly putting everything in place, selection of species and some bacteria turning into apes with orderly creating everything. There you have it, creationism. It's not all that different and neither of them can be proven wrong. You can't prove God does (not) exist and did all that work over billions of years nor can you prove that the big bang was (not) a big explosion. The main questions you're going to remain with is: where does God come from? or where did that mass of stuff exploding come from?

I say, let's peacefully co-exist, I don't care whether you teach it or not in schools, but don't teach creationism nor evolutionism as an exact science and don't teach creationism nor evolutionism as the only true religion. I see a lot of atheists that hang on to evolution and the big bang theory as a religion, something that has to be and is true, no matter what other people think or say. Why? Because you feel the need to be religious about something? What if I come up with a scientific theory that better fits the bill? You're going to massively change then? Or am I going to be incorrect.

Nobody said that the world was made in 7 24h days. Just think about it, let's say the Bible is the book of God and it specified God created everything in 7 days. Before God created our planet and our sun etc., there were no 24 hour days, there was nothing, how would you (or God) then calculate 24 hour days. What if God resided on Mars or Jupiter on that occasion? Would you still say that God's day was 24 hours? The only religion that teaches that as far as I know is catholicism and maybe some other offspring religions in Christendom. Heck, talk to a Jehovah's Witness or a Mormon (they're easy to come by, they even come to you every so often (I don't want to offend anyone, just a joke)), they'll tell you that those 'days' are unspecified in length, could be millions of years.

I hate that people keep putting their personal religion to the front as a fact that can have no objection, there are thousands of believes on any type of subject, I have my own, open your own museum if you want, but don't teach my kids your view on how we got here as a fact. Unless you have a camera or scientific undeniable proof that it happened that way (as in exact, not a theory) I probably will think my own way about it.

Re:So, what exactly is wrong with it? (4, Insightful)

Lurker2288 (995635) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285953)

The problem is that most 'true believers' aren't just content to hold their own beliefs, and to indoctrinate their kids while they're young and accepting. All the born-agains I know says that it's also god's will for them to convert others and "bring us to Christ's truth." That's not tolerance, and if the rational people of the world refuse to make a stand against this kind of ancient bullshit, then religious mania will take us over. Just look at the 'moral majority' of the 70s carrying Reagan into office, or our current situation with George Bush.

And it's ridiculous to put religious belief on par with scientific explanations for how things came to be. Science generates hypotheses; those hypotheses are tested with observation and experiment, and the ones that hold up become theories, which will be amended or rejected when contradictory evidence is found. When science doesn't know an answer, it speculates, but it does not proclaim. Contrast this with religion, which tells us god made everything, and our brains can't comprehend the awesomeness of it all. What proof do they offer for these extraordinary claims? Oh, no proof, see, because it's all about faith--believing DESPITE the fact that all they really have to back it up is a book, and the words of 'holy men' who, of course, have a vested interest in keep the sheeple flocking in one direction.

Religion is poison to rationality, and we lose sight of that at our own peril.

Re:So, what exactly is wrong with it? (1)

The Living Fractal (162153) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285985)

You know what's really scary? God evolved.

TLF

Re:So, what exactly is wrong with it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285997)

Glad to hear that 7 days could be millions of years. Now if you would also 'think about' everything else creationism is saying and make it match the scientific theory, *then* both could co-exist.

And on the Seventh Day... (3, Funny)

Findeton (818988) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285867)

And on the Seventh Day... god rested by switching off the creationists brains!

Science is (2, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285871)

The process of observing the world and drawing a logical set of self consistent conclusions. All sciences, especially the soft sciences, have bias, or systematic error, We will tend the local world view on situations that far removed in time or space. Such errors can be corrected by future research and a more diversified group of scientists. There is no attack on faith, as faith is what we believe, not what we use when we need to model a natural process.

This museum, while attempting to provide a self consistent set of conclusions, fails to limit itself to observable and verifiable fact. In fact I feel it mocks Christianity by further limiting the power of the creator. Limiting such power has always been popular in the sinful human population that wishes to transfer power from the creator to itself. Just look at catholicism and the belief that certain religious leaders can speak for the almighty. For example, when I was growing up it was quite a popular belief that the creator put fossils and likes on earth as a test of fate. Those that continue to believe the bible even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary are those with sufficient faith to be saved. Now these sinful humans are trying to rewrite the bible and limit the power of the almighty by saying that dinosaurs existed and the grand canyon and the fossils were caused by the flood. You know, if the creator wanted a grand canyon, or fossils, or dinosaurs, or floods, or whatever, there is nothing to stop the desire becoming a reality, no matter what greedy and corrupt humans have to say.

I wonder if the future will see this museum as an artifact of a time in Christianity when the leaders were more concerned with wealth and personal power than serving the almighty. If, perhaps, someone like Martin Luther will emerge to blog 123 ways that the christian church is corrupt, and call for a post-christian movement.

Priorities (1, Insightful)

florescent_beige (608235) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285877)

16,000 children under the age of 5 died [care.org] yesterday because they didn't have enough to eat. This church, along with the rest of us, will have to answer some pointed questions in the afterlife about priorities.

Canada is getting a creation "museum" too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285879)

Aren't we lucky?! Granted, it's not a glitzy, big-budget production like AiG's 27 million dollar monument to ignorance; but Anusfail, Alberta is getting their own creation "museum" too according to this story [canada.com] :


Creation rules over evolution at museum
Biblical flood among displays near Innisfail

Paula Beauchamp, Calgary Herald
Published: Tuesday, May 22, 2007

Canada's first permanent creation museum --set to open in Alberta next month -- will use fossil displays to support the Bible's explanation of creation.

The controversial Big Valley Creation Science Museum, located east of Innisfail, is billed as an alternative to the world view presented by the Royal Tyrell Museum in Drumheller and will open on June 5.

Owner Harry Nibourg said in a press release that the museum provides compelling evidence for creation and refutes any unguided, "natural" processes such as evolution.

He said the museum's "fossils and the flood" display, which teams a giant model of Noah's ark with museum-quality fossils, is evidence the biblical flood actually happened.

According to the museum's website, another display called "dinosaurs and humans" disproves evolutionary theory that dinosaurs became extinct at least 60 million years before humans evolved.


Human Beings (1)

networkzombie (921324) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285889)

Human beings are so stupid. I am embarrassed to be one. Nietzsche thought it would take humans another 200 years before we got religion out of our system. I think he was right. We have another hundred years to go.

not a museum (4, Insightful)

JustShootMe (122551) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285905)

I'd defend the right of the people who started this to continue on as long as they can support it, but I'm not sure it should be called a "museum". A museum implies some hind of historical accuracy.

Perhaps "theme park", or "house of ill repute" instead?

are dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible or Koran? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285923)

Maybe Barney, Jurassaic Park etc. put them over the top so that the Creationists couldn't deny their existence and still make the sale... but coexistence is a whole nother matter. After all, humans and dinosaurs certainly got along well together in The Flintstones.

without the distortions.... (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285967)

of reality... sheesh.

I dont care if you belive in creationism or not, the idea that we were wandering around with dinosaurs is ludicrous. Why cant there be room for evolution in 'gods plan'?

Sure we can debate until we are blue in the face what actually started this mess we call the universe, since NO ONE knows the truth yet, but i dont see why 90% of the rest of the scientific discoveries cant be embraced by the religous kooks without their god going up in a poof of logic. If their god is that subject to being sent out of existance via logic, its time to find another thing to believe in.

Religion is bulltshit (1)

miscz (888242) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285979)

Sorry, if you believe in some fantasy, you're retared.

I'm drunk but I'm atheist while being sober. Sorry.

Small god cares what you believe (4, Interesting)

DeeVeeAnt (1002953) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285989)

It always amazes how these people underestimate the scale and beauty of "god"'s creation by so many orders of magnitude. Apparently their god would not have been subtle enough to make life which could adapt to a changing world? There is nothing in any science which confirms or denies god's existence. Imagine if they had won over the astronomers, we would have been stuck with a tiny god who could only manage one little planet, and one star. Now we know about the vast beauty of the stars and galaxies spread across the sky. Surely if you are going to believe in a creator, this sort of knowledge can only increase your respect for it? There I go again, trying to apply reason to religion. But why doesn't it ever work?
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