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Kansas Anti-Creationism Professor Resigns

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the tangled-web dept.

Censorship 1469

An anonymous reader writes "A Professor of religion at University of Kansas has resigned from his position at the university because of his anti-creationism views." From the article: "Mirecki had planned to teach a course in the spring that examined creationism and intelligent design after the State Board of Education adopted science standards treating evolution as a flawed theory. Originally called 'Special Topics in Religion: Intelligent Design, Creationism and other Religious Mythologies,' the course was canceled last week at Mirecki's request." The article goes on to explain that Mirecki evidently sent poorly worded email with anti-Christian sentiments around to people interested in the class, and was subsequently beaten for his troubles.

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It sounds like email (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224409)

Could've used a bit of intelligent design.

Re:It sounds like email (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224556)

Fucking evolutionalists.

Maybe you descend from monkeys. Not me.

Now, where have I put my banana *scratch* *scratch* ?

Creationism (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224414)

I've just Creationism'd the first post

Beaten? (1)

khasim (1285) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224435)

On Monday, Mirecki was treated at a Lawrence hospital for head injuries after he said he was beaten by two men on a country road. He said the men referred to the creationism course. Law enforcement officials were investigating.

Isn't that just a bit extreme?

Re:Beaten? (3, Interesting)

Kazzahdrane (882423) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224460)

Of course these people know their beliefs are right and if people don't believe them then they bloody well should do. Welcome to the world of religious extremism, if you need me I'll be in the bar with the bulletproof glass.

Re:Beaten? (0)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224552)

While sad he was beaten, it must have been $diety's will no?
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On a related note, remind me that I should never move to Kansas. Even if there are other reasons to consider doing so.
-nB

Re:Beaten? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224475)

'I actually did that act one night in the south, then after the show these three rednecks came up to me. "Hey buddy, we're Christians and we didn't like what you said." I said "Then forgive me." Later on, when I was hanging from the tree...'
--Bill Hicks

Re:Beaten? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224478)

What would Jesus do?

Re:Beaten?(should be allegedly beaten. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224487)

He lives in town. He left for breakfast. He allegedly drove out on a county road where the beating allegedly happened. There is no plate number for the truck the two guys were in. He wasn't seriously injured. The police are investigating it but it is as likely as not that he made the beating up.

Re:Beaten? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224491)

Looks like the KKK is alive and well in Kansas.

Those bastards do the dirty work for all kinds of people in power.

They are well known for lynchings, too.

Re:Beaten? (1)

el-spectre (668104) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224503)

No no... it's "fundamental", not "extreme". One is good, one is bad... right?

Re:Beaten? (1)

The NPS (899303) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224559)

I thought they were both bad?

Re:Beaten? (5, Funny)

poopdeville (841677) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224662)

I can't wait for the F Games on ESPN. Sports to the Fundament.

Re:Beaten? (-1, Flamebait)

_Sharp'r_ (649297) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224510)

There are some inconsistencies [townhall.com] about the events of his alleged [badgerherald.com] "beating".

Re:Beaten? (4, Insightful)

Rei (128717) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224553)

So what are you alleging? That he beat himself up? Do you think that "a conservative activist in Kansas" has more credibility with respect to the investigation than Lt. Kari Wempe of the Douglas County Sheriff's Office?

Does smear have no bounds in this country?

Re:Beaten? (1)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224660)

Does smear have no bounds in this country?
You must not be American... have you heard of the Swift Boat Veterans for 'Truth'?

Re:Beaten? (1)

Brad Moore (11260) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224618)

You know, it's usually difficult to remember things accurately after sustaining a head injury.

Re:Beaten? (1)

Xabraxas (654195) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224664)

So what inconsistencies are you talking about? He wasn't sure what rural country road he was on. How is that an inconsistency? It looks like the fundamentalists and conserveratives are coming out of the woodwork again to discredit by any means possible.

Re:Beaten? (4, Insightful)

Omnifarious (11933) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224668)

I know, he had his friends beat him up! Or, err... He managed to convince a hospital to fake a report or something.. err... and the police department too! Yeah, that's it! Obviously anybody who's beaten up is going to remember the exact road it's on and everything. And you're going to remember exact details about your attackers too, even when it's at night. Nobody's confused, frightened or panicky after being physically assaulted, especially atheists!

Perhaps we ought to test out these theories on the stupid idiot who's trying to cast some sort of cloud over the guy's credibility without having any hard evidence to back it up.

Re:Beaten? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224520)

Yes. And not very much in keeping with the teachings of this bloke called Jesus of Nazareth (or perhaps Jesus the Nazarene...), either. I don't believe in gods as such, but most of the stuff Jesus is reported to have said is pretty sensible. Modern-day adherents to Christianity/Islam/Judaism (they're all pretty much the same) are anything but sensible, unfortunately.

Re:Beaten? (1, Flamebait)

_KiTA_ (241027) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224593)

Ah, I see this is the first time you've ran into fundamentalist Christians.

Don't worry, he was a heathen, so it's ok to hurt him. Perfectly Christian of them.

Heck, if he was gay they could have killed him and they would have probably been nominated for sainthood.

Re:Beaten? (1, Flamebait)

krbvroc1 (725200) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224602)

Of course being beaten is extreme. It sounds like the Taliban in Afghanistan or the religous police in Iran or the Shiite Sadr militiamen in Iraq. It is what happens when a Country fails to honor the principle of Separation of Church and State.

Kansas... (1, Flamebait)

azav (469988) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224439)

Why can't Kansas just secede from the union?

The United State of Kansas.

Sorta has a ring to it doesn't it?

Re:Kansas... (5, Funny)

pilgrim23 (716938) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224479)

"Dear Auntie Em: Hate your Intleligent Design, Hate Kansas> Took the dog" -Dorthy

Re:Kansas... (4, Funny)

Fulcrum of Evil (560260) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224499)

The United State of Kansas.

U SOK?

Re:Kansas... (0)

SengirV (203400) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224554)

I'd prefer that Cali and Mass secede instead.

We can't always get what we want, but if you try sometimes ...

To clarify... (5, Informative)

exley (221867) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224440)

He resigned as department chair, but as of that article, hasn't quit entirely. Just in case you don't want to RTFA (not that that happens here).

He's still teaching at the university. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224453)

The writeup is a bit unclear. He only resigned as the chair of his department, he is still teaching there.

His sign (3, Insightful)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224454)

One of his emails talked about how he couldn't wait to teach this course to throw his position against ID in "their big fat face." Okay, if you profess (ahemm) to be a professor and you can't muster up any more intelligent way to communicate than that I submitt you have no business teaching at a university. Kindergarten? Maybe.

There but for fortune (1, Informative)

sseaman (931799) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224498)

That was my first reaction, and then I remembered that he is a professor living in Kansas. That can't be very pleasant for him. He deserves to mindlessly flame occasionally.

And have you seen the faces on these guys (Dobson, Falwell, et al.)? They're awfully slap-worthy.

Re:His sign (1)

ChrisGilliard (913445) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224515)

I'd rather have this guy at a college than teaching kindergarten actually, but point taken.

Re:His sign (1)

Rei (128717) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224528)

Well, the email was to the Society for Open Minded Athiests and Agnostics.

Re:His sign (1)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224565)

Professors in Kansas are at the kindergarten level elsewhere, silly.

You fail to realize... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224650)

As a graduate student I can tell you that you are underestimating how petty academics are...

Clarification (1)

Ha-reed (253709) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224461)

The poster makes it sound like Professor Mirecki isn't teaching at the university anymore. TFA states that he is; he only stepped down from his position as dept. chair.

this is not america (-1, Flamebait)

Alien Being (18488) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224462)

Worship Christ or be a second class citizen. Happy B'Day Mr. "I'm the son of God".

Yeah, well... what did he expect? (3, Insightful)

el-spectre (668104) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224463)

I applaud the guy for having the courage to recognize ID for what it is, a (weak) philosophical argument, not science. But as head of a religious studies department, attacking a given faith is just unprofessional.

I'm an atheist, but I don't go pissing on church doors. That's (figuratively) what this guy did, and screwed up his career in doing so.

You don't get it either. (1, Interesting)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224532)

He thought he'd poke some fun at idiots. He might have expected some pranks, or even an assault.

What he discovered was a bit more than that, though. Not some semi-random beating from idiots who recognized him. Rather, that it's a bit more organized than that. Maybe they told him his national press was really, really unappreciated, and that if he didn't start backing down, he was in for worse.

Supposing something like that happened, might not you also resign?

Re:You don't get it either. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224548)

Yoda,


Supposing something like that happened, might not you also resign?


Your comment is virtually incomprehensible.

Re:You don't get it either. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224587)

Think so? The comma worked its magic in that sentence and I find it totally comprehensible. But, then again, English is my first language.

Re:You don't get it either. (2, Insightful)

el-spectre (668104) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224589)

I'm not saying he deserved a beating, not at all. I was talking about the other bit. When you hold a professional position and act unprofessionally (remember, he was communicating with a school organization), there are consequences.

Also, there's no reason to assume "fundies" are idiots. They may be misguided, wrong, or just of a different opinion than you, but that doesn't make them idiots.

I've met some brilliant preachers, and I recognize that even though I don't believe in their Magic Man In The Sky (tm)

Re:Yeah, well... what did he expect? (4, Insightful)

pla (258480) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224617)

But as head of a religious studies department, attacking a given faith is just unprofessional.

You can teach Greek Mythology without always speaking the name of "Zeus" with reverential awe.

You can even poke fun at your subject matter, depending on the focus of the course - I fondly remember my 1st semester physics professor ended practically every topic with something along the lines of "and of course in the days since Newton, we've discovered that most of this counts as complete rubbish, but I still expect you to know it for the test".

In the case of the topic under consideration, I (and any potential studend would) have every expectation this professor did not plan to merely present it as an objective overview of the tenets of ID (though students should of course have come away understanding those); but rather, a thorough debunking of a laughable-yet-popular ("popular" in the sheer-number-of-fools sense) topic, possibly broad enough to include a general overview of the roots of the dangerously antiintellectual attitude currently brewing in our culture.

Re:Yeah, well... what did he expect? (1)

johansalk (818687) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224653)

Insightful my ass! Maybe you won't go pissing on church doors, but what if the church crowd came over to your place and pissed on you??! That's what happened. The guy is an Academic. He went to no friggin' church door, he's teaching a course in his friggin' department. Keep the church crowd within the churches, and leave the universities and schools alone!

Re:Yeah, well... what did he expect? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224663)

"But as head of a religious studies department, attacking a given faith is just unprofessional."

Of course is much more professional give respect to some incredible stupities just because quite a big number or people will crush you.

You would tell me I was telling nonsenses if I did, but you wouldn't do it if it was not me but once thousand.

That's not professionalism sir, it's cowardry.

Only from the Chair position not as a prof (5, Informative)

abbamouse (469716) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224464)

I read this story earlier today on HNN. He resigned as department chair, not as a professor. He's still doing all the same stuff, but with less paperwork. I know that in many departments, chair is a generally detested position because although it carries some prestige it often carries little real authority and ALWAYS comes with scads of paperwork that prevent academics from spending time on their first love (research or teaching, as the case may be). So the guy isn't out of a job or anything; the move is largely symbolic.

Of course ..... (3, Funny)

hawkeye_82 (845771) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224465)

If these men can beat up a prof for saying things out loud, then its obvious the evolutionary process left them by the wayside, and they grew a up as apes. No wonder they dont believe in evolution.

Re:Of course ..... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224676)

It turns out on closer examination, that his story about being "beaten" was fabricated. But don't let that get in the way of your pre-programmed hate speech any.

Kansas (2, Insightful)

colemanguy (915683) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224466)

Woot! I am from kansas

Re:Kansas (0, Offtopic)

geekylinuxkid (831805) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224531)

Me too! Rock Chalk Jayhawk! KU. i live near manhattan and it is HORRIBLE! However, I do like going to aggieville on KU/KSU days sporting my KU apparel. It's so fun. Especially after KU blows them out of the water in basketball. Fortunately, I have yet to get beat down after the game is over and everyone has left the bar. :D

Re:Kansas (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224547)

That is informative! At least by definition.

Re:Kansas (2, Informative)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224658)

That is informative! At least by definition.

In that case, I'm NOT from Kansas! :-)

(Awaits for the +5 informative lol)

Religious Violence (4, Insightful)

vodkamattvt (819309) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224469)

Perhaps, instead of constantly attacking scientific communities and sex, religious leaders and their respective communities should actually teach what god and jesus intended .. compassion and forgiveness. When two people believe in god so much to beat someone up because they said something anti-christian says, to me, that the leaders of the religious community have failed miserably to actually relay the teachings of their religion.

Then again, Im agnostic and havent attended church and base all my knowledge on written word and whatnot. Maybe in church they are saying to strike those evil doer anti-christians down like the wrath of god?

It depends upon the Church. (5, Insightful)

khasim (1285) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224517)

Remember, there are a lot of Books in the Bible. Some of the older ones (Old Testament) have a lot of stuff about smiting and even killing or enslaving your enemies.

It all depends upon what part of the Bible the church you attend wants to focus on. There's as much legitimacy in focusing on God's Rightous Wrath as there is in focusing on Jesus Forgiving.

Re:It depends upon the Church. (0, Flamebait)

FahrenheitLF (912905) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224659)

>>There's as much legitimacy in focusing on God's Rightous Wrath as there is in focusing on Jesus Forgiving. Tell that to those who lost loved ones on 9/11 and in Iraq to those focused on their "God's Rightous Wrath".

Re:It depends upon the Church. (4, Insightful)

Hektor_Troy (262592) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224665)

Can't say that I'm a believer (I'm baptised, but I didn't have much of a choice then), but ...

If you're a christian church and focusing more on the old testament than the new - and especially the loving and forgiving christ (Jesus), isn't it a fair case to call you a jew instead of a christian?

As I understand it, christianity builds on the old testament, sure - but it weighs in much more heavily on forgiveness (obviously forgotten during the crusades and inquisition) and love than on "smiting your enemies". Pretty sure you'd be shit out of luck if you tried portraying Jesus as wanting you to "smite and even kill or enslave your enemies".

Or did I not get the memo?

Re:Religious Violence (1)

westyvw (653833) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224624)

But wheres the money in that?

From the article (4, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224482)

A recent e-mail from Mirecki to members of a student organization referred to religious conservatives as "fundies" and said a course describing intelligent design as mythology would be a "nice slap in their big fat face." Mirecki apologized for those comments.

Me thinks "poorly worded" is an understatement. It's one thing when you're a troll on Slashdot using that language. It's a completely different thing to be in a respected teaching position and acting like a Slashdot troll. And he wonders why people are upset with him. *shakes head*

(P.S. I do hope they catch the assholes who beat him. That's not exactly acceptable behavior, either, no matter what he said.)

Assault charges possibly made up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224575)

Apparently there is some question about his physical assault story. There seems to be some inconsistency in it. Witnesses before and after the "event" seem to discredit his story. He personally has said that he will not discuss the assault anymore. Search the net a bit for more information.

Re:From the article (1)

Rei (128717) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224594)

The student organization in question was the Society for Open Minded Athiests and Agnostics. He wasn't trolling, he was preaching to the choir.

Re:From the article (1)

Omnifarious (11933) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224611)

Depends on who the email is to. Among friends or like-minded people, I think that's perfectly acceptable. All of my friends refer to religious conservatives as fundies, and they are the most detested of any political group we complain about.

It looked like the email was to a club of atheists. So, it was at the edge of acceptability IMHO, but not definitely over it.

Re:From the article (1)

random coward (527722) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224656)

I wonder when it is determined that the beating was a hoax he perpitrated to gain sympathy like Kerry Dunn [nbc4.tv] did if we will see a slashdot article that says "Anti Intelligent Design professor sentenced in false police report."

He handled it wrong (2, Interesting)

sycomonkey (666153) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224483)

It's not a good idea to deride students or christians, and it's not as if every christian thinks evolution is wrong. I think it would have been a good thing to hold a class like that in a state like that, but if the prof is going to be confrontational about it, that's going to cheapen the whole point. Teaching ID in anything outside a philosophy class is such a crazy idea and so easily debunked that being negative is entirely unessicary, plain facts will do.

Both Sides Wrong (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224485)

Is it just me who thinks that both sides should give their heads a shake?

He should not have written what he wrote.

The assailants should not have attacked him for it.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Is that too cliche?

Hopefully I got this in before the inevitable flame-spewing deluge of trolls converges on this post.

Re:Both Sides Wrong (1)

dtfinch (661405) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224543)

It's ok to write whatever you want. It's not ok to beat up whoever you want.

Re:Both Sides Wrong (1)

HexRei (515117) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224649)

It is decidedly more wrong to beat a man than to verbally insult a religion.

The darn fool. (5, Insightful)

Halfbaked Plan (769830) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224486)

Mirecki evidently sent poorly worded email with anti-Christian sentiments around to people interested in the class, and was subsequently beaten for his troubles.

All he had to do was stick to science and his ideas would have won. Instead, he played into the stereotype that 'scientists are anti-Christian' and has paid the price.

But there are really three sides to the issue:

1. Dogmatic Christians pushing their belief system as the anti-science.

2. Dogmatic Athiests pushing their belief system as the anti-religion.

3. The Rest Of Us.

Re:The darn fool. (0)

ultramk (470198) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224535)

Sorry, but if you're the one saying there's an invisible man in the sky judging everyone, the burden of proof is on you.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", to quote Sagan.

M-

Re:The darn fool. (1)

falzer (224563) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224596)

A beating should not be the price to pay for expressing one's views in a free country.

Re:The darn fool. (1)

StoatBringer (552938) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224619)

Atheism is not a belief system.

Re:The darn fool. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224639)

Instead, he played into the stereotype that 'scientists are anti-Christian' and has paid the price.

Incidentally, the way that he "paid the price" (getting beaten up) was an extremely good example showing that Christians are anti-Christian (or rather, anti-Jesus-Christ's-teachings, but pro-I-go-to-church-so-I'm-a-good-Christian).

Re:The darn fool. (1)

cnerd2025 (903423) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224654)

Unfortunately, #3 is the rather silent majority. I'll come out and say that, yes, I am very much pro-science and that I'm also a devout Christian. That said, these hoodlums were very wrong to beat the man up. Of course, we are assuming that he is telling the truth. You can never be too sure when someone says they were beaten by two men on a country road. Final comment: Dogmatic Athiests pushing their belief system as the anti-religion. That to me seems like the most ridiculous state, to be a dogmatic atheist or militant atheist. That's like saying, "I'm a die-hard believer in absolutely nothing!" Or, "I'm going to die for my belief in no greater purpose!" It always struck me as funny. If they believe that they are as close to supernatural as anything is, then what gives. "Don't mess with me, I'm a god in some places..."

Gotta love that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224497)

On Monday, Mirecki was treated at a Lawrence hospital for head injuries after he said he was beaten by two men on a country road. He said the men referred to the creationism course.

Presumably these Christians haven't heard of such advice as "turn the other cheek". What loser came up with that idiotic advice anyway?

(Yeah, I know it's not stated anywhere that these were Christians, but be realistic).

...Chair of Religious Studies Dept.? (4, Insightful)

theGreater (596196) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224506)

That's the part that confused me enough to make me read it twice. The CHAIR of the Religous Studies Dept. was saying things like:

  • referring to religious individuals as "fundies"
  • "a nice slap in their big fat face"
  • others described as "repugnant and vile"
That boggles the mind. No excuse for beating the man, for any reason.

-theGreater.

hur hur hur (2, Funny)

marcushnk (90744) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224507)

The article goes on to explain that Mirecki evidently sent poorly worded email with anti-Christian sentiments around to people interested in the class, and was subsequently beaten for his troubles.

bloody bible bashers :-P

Teach Evolutionary Algorithms / The Matrix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224518)

The professor should teach a computer science course on the topic of evolutionary algorithms and The Matrix. This way he can get religion and evolutionary theory in the same topic. Best of all, it's perfectly legal!

Anothe rmisleading summary... (1)

Withen (644267) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224522)

Right on the first page of the article:
Paul Mirecki resigned as chairman of the religious studies department. He still teaches at the university.
Not really the same as "resigning from his position at the university"...

m)are (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224524)

project somew4ere

Gosh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224526)

It always gives me the warm fuzzies when I see people who call themselves Christians going out and beating someone up for having different beliefs. It makes you wonder if they've even heard of the New Testament.

Boy, I sure am surprised! (5, Insightful)

Thaelon (250687) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224527)

Someone else was beaten or killed in the name of religion! *gasp*

What's the total up to now? A few billion?

Interesting... (5, Insightful)

AstynaxX (217139) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224537)

The choices of prefix for this post... I'm curious, why is he anti-creationist rather than pro-evolutionist? Now, this may be innocuous, but choice of words can reveal bias.

Also, anti-fundamentalist is not the same as anti-christian. Being opposed to a specific, fanatical, often belligerent sect of a religious denomination is not the same as being opposed to the entire faith.

Re:Interesting... (2, Insightful)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224651)

The choices of prefix for this post... I'm curious, why is he anti-creationist rather than pro-evolutionist?
Because he's a professor of religion, not of science. Evolution has little place in theology; however it's perfectly reasonable for a theologian to question whether creationism represents fundamental religious belief or is simply an overly-literal interpetation of a nice and comforting myth.

Of course... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224539)

The Christian thing to is to beat people who disagree with you, not accept and love them. Yes, I'm sure that's exactly what Jesus would have done, amen.

Re:Of course... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224599)

Hey!

It worked well for the Crusaders, the Spanish (Inquisition), and the Puritans.

Why stop now?

Fron the article... (4, Interesting)

Lendrick (314723) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224540)

A recent e-mail from Mirecki to members of a student organization referred to religious conservatives as "fundies" and said a course describing intelligent design as mythology would be a "nice slap in their big fat face." Mirecki apologized for those comments.

It's too bad he had to be so unprofessional. I'm all in favor of his class, but I can't sympathize with someone who acts like that. He's basically ruined it for other universities that may want to do something similar because he made it into a personal issue instead of an academic one.

What God wants, God gets, God help us all (1)

Sir_Eptishous (873977) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224544)

The night is black
Without a moon
The air is thick and still
The vigilantes gather on
The lonely torch lit hill


Features distorted in the flickering light
The faces are twisted and grotesque
Silent and stern in the sweltering night
The mob moves like demons possessed
Quiet in conscience, calm in their right
Confident their ways are best


The righteous rise
With burning eyes
Of hatred and ill-will
Madmen fed on fear and lies
To beat and burn and kill


They say there are strangers who threaten us
In our immigrants and infidels
They say there is strangeness too dangerous
In our theaters and bookstore shelves
That those who know what's best for us [harpers.org]
Must rise and save us from ourselves

Quick to judge
Quick to anger
Slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice
And fear walk hand in hand...

USA!!! (1)

osopolar (826106) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224555)

I love my country! Free speech is mostly used to try and stop other people from expressing themselves.

Creationists believe that the book of Genesis is the truth, but where does it say in the bible that the bible is the only truth? Are creationists also saying that God is not powerful enough to have created the earth and everything in it by usingevolution. Evolution is a miracle! Just look at the statistical probability of one species suddenly changing into another, I have no idea what that number is but I was once told that the chances of a tornado passing through a junk yard an leaving behind a fully functional 747 jet, fueled and ready to fly is a walk through a park compared to chances of evolution happening. What would you say if a tornado passed through a junkyard and left behind a 747? Wow, now that is a miracle! Oh and by the way Jesus has dark skin and he farts.

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Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224564)


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Appropriate. (1, Redundant)

funny-jack (741994) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224580)

He "resigned as chairman of the Department of Religious Studies" not his teaching position. Given the way he spoke about some religious groups, I think this was appropriate:
A recent e-mail from Mirecki to members of a student organization referred to religious conservatives as "fundies" and said a course describing intelligent design as mythology would be a "nice slap in their big fat face." Mirecki apologized for those comments.

Later, other e-mails written by Mirecki that surfaced were deemed "repugnant and vile" by Chancellor Robert Hemenway for their views toward Catholics and other Christians.

It's hate mail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224582)

If it were any other group that he were insulting in his letters, it would be considered hate mail and he'd be run up a pole for it.

why the fuck should I care? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14224595)

This is a tech nerd site to circle jerk over linux.
not a philosophy site.

Anti-Christianism in Kansas is legitimate (4, Insightful)

johansalk (818687) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224598)

When a whole nation is dedicating itself to anti-Islamism, while Christianism is fucking it up the ass (how's that for "poorly-worded"?), it's only fair that in a state like Kansas, made infamous worldwide by that ludicrous anti-science christianism, scientists would have an anti-Christianism sentiment and it's only fair that they make it heard by all concerned. If they won't, who will?! Don't kid yourself, Science, and scientists are under attack by the deliberate liars and peddlers of self-serving nonsense.

Silly Humans (1)

Cytlid (95255) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224616)

When will you realize it's all one in the same?

apparently (0, Troll)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224623)

intelligent design proponents have some doubts about his beating claims

so they are going to engage in a fully scientifically rigorous investigation of the claims and their evidence

because anything that sullies the reputation of intelligent design, you know, has to be proven or disproven in the most impartial and logically consistent manner

because we wouldn't want passion informing matters of fact, right?

Something similar happened at a friend's school... (4, Interesting)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224633)

here in Mexico. There was a student riot and strike (or something similar), they (the "students") shut down school. Some of them participated in violent protests against the government, and were sent to jail.

A law professor was going to give a talk about "Difference between political prisoners and criminals". The pseudo-students didn't let him start the talk, and he had to run away because they were all throwing him rotten food.

Lesson: Unless you're willing to become a martyr, never tell an angry mob they're WRONG.

I don't really get this... (2, Insightful)

Zambo McSplanky (836445) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224644)

OK, so... why do fundamentalists get so worked up over this evolution thing? The Bible says not a darned thing about *HOW* God created everything. And it's pretty easy to get around the "well, it says it only took a day to make ____" -- considering it also says "a thousand years are like a day and a day like a thousand years". But all holy-textual concerns aside, it's like arguing about the tool. No rational scientist would argue that God is provably nonexistent... due to the utter lack of hard data available! No rational Christian would argue that God HAD to have used a non-evolutionary mechanism to create the world... due to the lack of scripture on the matter! Evolution is the hammer. Life on Earth is the spice rack. Who build the spice rack? Who knows! But we know they used a HAMMER because there are hammer marks all over the wood. And nails were involved. So just grow up and admit you don't know EVERYTHING! Both sides!

Religion Professors Aren't Very Religious (3, Insightful)

chezmarshall (694493) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224661)

It's easy to understand the conflict here. Of all people, scholars of religion are going to see how different religions absorb ideas from one another. I guess it tends to make them rather skeptical that any particular religion has access to some unique revelation. When you combine this skepticism with Christian fundamentalism in general and intelligent design in particular, there's going to be some discord.

However, it's very myopic to reach any kind of opinion that all of this reflects poorly on Christian fundamentalists, Kansas, or religion in the United States. Consider that for his heresy, this guy got a beating that 99.99% of his fellow countrymen think was unjustified. Compare that to Iran, for instance, where writing a book that others consider disrespectful to Islam will get you a giant-sized can of fatwa.

In Kansas ... (1)

ta ma de (851887) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224666)

We are all just "Dust in the Wind."

sorry - I couldn't stop the typing.

And vice versa... (4, Insightful)

HexRei (515117) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224678)

...would people be equally outraged if the Religious Studies Chair at a religious school, let's say BYU, were to badmouth atheism? My guess is that it probably happens all the time.

Are we witnessing the evolution of thinking? (1)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14224680)

Some things you just can not explain.
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