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1st Cup Of Coffee: Hardening Your Arteries

Hemos posted more than 12 years ago | from the caffiene-is-gud! dept.

Science 304

mikewhittaker writes "A recent article on The Times refer to a report which indicates that the intake of caffeine from a single coffee can have adverse effects on your arteries and heart." Actually, it goes so far to say that the first cup of coffee is the worst. Of course, basically, anything you do is bad for at some level, so I guess it's choosing your poisons.

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Feline poop? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2257860)

Feline poo for all you except you FUCKING NO GOOD LAMBDAMOOERS!

Re:Feline poop? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2257939)

Speaking of feline poop, my 17 year old cat just took a poop at my front door (inside the house). I think it's some sort of passive agressive protest over not being allowed to eat our other cats' food.

wheee (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2257861)

wheee bee wha beee qweee ka lame

oh well (-1, Redundant)

Petty (260711) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257865)

hell, I'd take a good artery hardening for that jolt that coffee gives me in the morning....

not to mention coffee keeping me awake at work well into the day.

Re:oh well (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2258004)

Anyone know how to get the Shell car wash (or any automated car wash) to wash your car for free? Give us the code!

Re:oh well (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2258009)

Type in 'Windows CE programmers are weenies' backwards into the keypad.

Re:oh well (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2258030)

I know there is a code like that I just can't remeber it right now

Re:oh well (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2258025)

Yes, what you do is leave your car there till it starts raining.

Free Shell Car Wash Codez (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2258033)

Someone post a link!@#!@

So what they're saying is...... (1)

Vic (6867) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257873)

The more coffee you drink, the less dangerous each cup is. Therefore, drinking more coffee is even better for you.

Drink up. Yiiiiipppeeeeeee!!!!! ;-)

-Vic

Re:So what they're saying is...... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2257900)

Well then, I will just skip the first cup and start each morning with the second cup.

Precisely. (3, Funny)

Vic (6867) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257917)

I would recommend the following strategies:

  • Have a very small first cup of coffee to minimize its effects. Subsequent cups should increase in size, as each one gets better for you.
  • Drink your second cup first, then follow it up with the first one. That will put you back to equilibrium.
  • I'm sure you can come up with more.....health is all about creativity.


Cheers,
vic

Play: Caffiene and Quake (5, Funny)

leonbrooks (8043) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257982)

Scene opens with a programmer at his keyboard, with adjacent coffee pot producing delicious, stimulating caffienated mud.

  • Begin: 100 health
  • Drink 1st coffee: 90 health
  • Drink 2nd coffee: 80 health
  • Drink 3rd coffee: 71 health (decimals omitted for simplicity)
  • Drink 4th coffee: 62 health
  • Drink 5th coffee: 53 health
  • Drink 6th coffee: 44 health
  • Drink 7th coffee: 35 health
  • Drink 8th coffee: 26 health
  • Drink 9th coffee: 17 health
  • Drink 10th coffee: 8 health
  • Drink 11th coffee: -1 health, get sideways view of the floor.

Drink up! Yippeee...! Er...

  • Enter a tall, thin chap in a black cloak and bearing a huge white feather, who sets about banishing you to the IPT.

Scene closes with programmer's workmates, each with coffee in hand, shaking their heads sadly as paramedics bear away a sheet-covered object on a stretcher.

My point: less harmful is not the same as harmless.

shit is a fuck? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2257874)

blah blah blah slashdot sucks...

Re:shit is a fuck? (0, Offtopic)

Leimy (6717) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257887)

Really?

That's interesting... hmmm I will have to think about that and get back to you...

Easy fix (5, Funny)

geophile (16995) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257875)

So skip the first cup of coffee and go right to the second.

Fix this! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2258020)

Hi Richard
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you can read my source, compile it everywhere.
Imagination, that is your creation.

Come on Richard, lets go party!

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Life in plastic, its fantastic.
you can see my source, distibute everywhere.
Imagination, that is your creation.

Im a bearded hippie, in a fantasy world,
Dress me up, make it tight, Im your dolly.
Youre my doll, rocknroll, feel the glamouring thing,
kiss me here, touch me there, hanky panky.
You can touch, you can play, if you say: "Im open source"
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Life in plastic, its fantastic.
you can have my code, make it 'free software'.
Imagination, that is your creation.

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I can act like a star, I can beg on my knees.
Come jump in, be my friend, let us do it again,
fix some bugs, fool around, lets go party
You can touch, you can play, if you say: "Im open source"
You can touch, you can play, if you say: "Im open source"

Come on Richard, lets go party!
(Repeated 4 times)

Im a commie boy, in a commie world
Life in plastic, its fantastic.
you can brush my beard, undress me everywhere.
Imagination, that is your creation.

Im a commie boy, in a commie world
Life in plastic, its fantastic.
you can brush my beard, undress me everywhere.
Imagination, that is your creation.

Come on Richard, lets go party!
(Repeated 4 times)

Oh, Im having so much fun!
Well Richard, we're just getting started.
Oh, I love you Eric.

Yet Another Caffeine Study (3, Interesting)

javaDragon (187973) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257876)

They did it again ! Sometimes the study says "cofee bad", the next day another one claims "coffe good". With so many divergent results, how can one still trust any of those studies ?

Re:Yet Another Caffeine Study (1, Interesting)

Flabdabb Hubbard (264583) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257911)

It doesn't really matter. The coffee will not kill you before you have had at least a chance to reproduce. Hence from a strictly biological perspective it is not 'bad' for you.


In fact, it is only bad for you if you think a few extra years of alzheimer's and incontinece in your twilight years is something to look forward to. Personally, I'd rather continue drinking coffee and die a couple of years early. Not a big deal.

Re:Yet Another Caffeine Study (3)

The Pim (140414) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257974)

Sometimes the study says "cofee bad", the next day another one claims "coffe good". With so many divergent results, how can one still trust any of those studies?

Did you actually read the studies? Or did you just read the sensational news headline? I'm fairly confident that none of the studies said "coffee bad" or "coffee good".

You know this, of course, yet you still find it funny to mock the science. This anti-intellectual attitude is the reason that science coverage is so brainless.

Re:Yet Another Caffeine Study (1)

Hobobo (231526) | more than 12 years ago | (#2258021)

Thank you for saying something logical. I also hate it when people who don't read studies mock them or think they are smarter than scientists.

Glad I switched! (5, Funny)

pgpckt (312866) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257877)

a single coffee can have adverse effects on your arteries and heart.

Whew. That was close. Glad I switched to espresso!

Re:Glad I switched! (1)

Optic (6803) | more than 12 years ago | (#2258044)

Mmm.

I just used the money I earned with coffee-powered programming to buy a Rancilio Silvia [1st-line.com].

And I'll just skip the first cup of coffee every day. Problem solved.

Get your caffeine somewhere else! (3)

sachachua (246293) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257879)

I'm not a coffee drinker - it's too bitter (even mocha tastes weird) and I haven't gotten used to it yet.

I like chocolate. Chocolate's great. The sugar'll probably be Very Bad for me later, though. No win.

What about tea?

Re:Get your caffeine somewhere else! (1)

motox (312416) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257890)

too bitter ? ehhehe ever thought about putting sugar in it ? :)

Re:Get your caffeine somewhere else! (3, Interesting)

Erbo (384) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257907)

For that matter, what about Penguin Mints [peppermints.com]? Or Coke? Or all that other caffeinated stuff?

I'm wondering if the study's confusing the effects of caffeine with the effects of all the other alkaloids and stuff present in coffee. If they're not, boy, am I screwed :-).

Eric

Re:Get your caffeine somewhere else! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2257960)

Those super minty tablets are slowly eating away at your gums. Coke is eating away at your teeth. At least caffeine is only causing heart palpitations.

Re:Get your caffeine somewhere else! (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257948)

"What about tea?"

Hmmmm, the way I make my tea it's pretty damn bitter. Some days I forget I left a cup steeping and when I come back to it 30 mins later I have to whip the bag and re-heat it in the microwave. It's enough to make most people's gums shrivel back from their teeth! Hmmmm, tannin! If you're in the US, don't try this with the de facto Lipton tea as it will always taste bad and weak no matter how many bags you use or how long you leave it.

Better beverage... (1)

nivelo9 (409455) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257882)

That's why I drink tea!
Besides, I can't stand the taste of coffee, unless diluted (like a coffee coolatta, etc).
*BLEGH*

Re:Better beverage... (2)

camusflage (65105) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257919)

Unless you're talking herbals, tea is equally, and in some cases, even more, potent as coffee.

Re:Better beverage... (1)

faster (21765) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257959)

Yes, tea has more caffiene than coffee, but it also has some other chemicals that are a sort of natural muscle relaxant. So it's more balanced than coffee.

I drink both, but I like coffee better.

Re:Better beverage... (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257961)

I can't remember the name of the chemical, but (black??) tea also contains small amounts of a caffeine-like stimulant that is much more potent. As far as I know, all teas also contain something that is good (relaxing) for your stomache, unlike coffee which tends to be more of an irritant.

addictive qualities (4, Insightful)

fetta (141344) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257883)

It's easy to test out the health effects of caffeine - just give it up for a month.

Every 6 months or so, I quit caffeine cold turkey - no soda, no coffee, etc. The first 3-4 days are miserable - headaches, fatigue, etc. After that I start feeling much better, sleeping better, having more energy, etc. It's pretty clear that I feel better and healthier without that morning copy of coffee.

Of course, then some deadline pops up and I'm back to drinking 2 cups of coffee and a six pack of diet coke per day. What drives me nuts is that I know better - I've been through this cycle at least 5 times. Thanks God I never started smoking! If I have this much trouble giving up caffeine, I can't imagine what nicotine would do to me.

Re:addictive qualities (1)

peeping_Thomist (66678) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257946)

I've been off caffeine for over 5 years, and it's worth it. It's not so hard to avoid if you just pay attention.

Re:addictive qualities (1)

savaget (26702) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257963)

I have about 15 years of heavy coffee drinking behind me. During the last 5 years I would also go cold turkey and feel much better, then I would fall off the wagon then go right back to 8 to 10 cups(mugs) a day.


Well 3 weeks ago, I suffered a mild heart attack(MI) and that has scared me away from cafeine for good. From now on I am not listening to either the good stuff or the bad stuff about cafeine, I am just quitting. You just have to go with what you believe and not with the latest "Report".

Re:addictive qualities (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257970)

Ahhhh, you get to enjoy your caffeine every 7 mos! Most people have to drink a caffeinated drink just to over-come caffeine withdrawal and don't really gain benefits from it.

Re:addictive qualities (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2257975)

That's what happens to me every time I move home from college. Free of the near-limitless supply of Mountain Dew from my school's meal plan, the caffeine intake drops off dramatically.

unnaturally decaffeinated (1)

fishbonez (177041) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257988)

I gave up regular coffee again about 6 months ago. This time I weened myself off of it by mixing decaf with regular coffee. Each week I would increase the amount of decaf in the mix by half a tablespoon. After about a month, I was drinking strictly decaf. There's still some caffeine in decaf but not enough to keep me awake at night. This method allowed me to avoid the effects of quiting cold turkey, which really suck.

Re:addictive qualities (1)

ChaseTec (447725) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257992)

For me caffeine was worse. I smoked for about 5 years. I've never been big into coffee but I was a big Mountain Dew freak. I got moody when I quite smoking. But the caffeine headache was just terrible I couldn't think straight for over a week. It's a good thing I was only working in PC repair at the time.

I also added the calories up from the amount of Dew I was drinking, if I remeber it was 1800 a day.

Re:addictive qualities (3, Interesting)

Van Halen (31671) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257994)

I can attest to this. I went completely without caffeine for about 13 months somewhere in '98-'99. I wasn't nearly as addicted as a lot of people here are, I'm sure, so it was really no big deal as far as missing it. But I noticed the same thing - I just felt better all around, despite the fact that I wasn't really living any healthier in other respects (exercise, diet, sleep, etc).

Unfortunately, even for someone like me who doesn't have to have it every day, it's all too easy to get back into it. I broke the streak not because I really wanted a caffeinated beverage, but because I felt like 13 months was long enough. I still don't drink much caffeine in general, but no longer going for the streak meant that the door was wide open for the occasional binge when not getting enough sleep. The last two weeks are a prime example - a busy time at work plus moving to a new apartment mean not much sleep. I'm on my 4th Mountain Dew of the day as I type this and I don't feel that great. My brain may not be nodding off to sleep, but my body, and especially my heart, feels like crap.

A day or two without caffeine and I'll be feeling much better...

Re:addictive qualities (2)

Christopher Bibbs (14) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257997)

My wife made me give up caffine once. Two weeks and I didn't notice a thing. No headaches, dizzyness, cravings, etc. Just got annoyed because avoiding caffine is like dodging taxes. You can do it for a little while, but eventually you slip.

Re:addictive qualities (2)

dragons_flight (515217) | more than 12 years ago | (#2258002)

I used to be really big on drinking caffeine, a good deal from soda but some other stuff as well.

It got to the point where withdrawl headaches and weakness would kick in if I hadn't had any for only 6-8 hours. At about this point I decided it was nuts and started cutting the stuff out. After a several weeks with no caffiene I realize that I could no longer tolerate the stuff. I don't know if it's a allergy or what, but now having a single Coke is enough to give me a headache.

When your body starts getting ill every time you have caffiene (and I don't mean withdrawl, I mean shortly after consumption), that's a pretty good incentive to stop using it. After several years it doesn't seem like much of a loss.

Never got addicted to it (2)

donutello (88309) | more than 12 years ago | (#2258039)

My mother is hugely addicted to tea. Growing up, I remember how she had to have her morning cup and a cup of tea just to wake up from a nap. I decided then that I would never let myself get dependent on the stuff.

I do drink coffee or have a coke sometimes when I'm in "crunch mode". This could be a big exam when I was in college, a major deadline at work or some serious night-time driving. One thing that not consuming any caffeine has done to me is made my hypersensitive to the stuff. So if I have a single coke any time after noon, I can't sleep well at night - regardless of how tired I am.

I had a point when I began this post but missed it somewhere.

Shame (5, Insightful)

mwillems (266506) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257886)

It is rather a shame that society (North American society) is so obsessed now with risk aversion!

Everything we do has good and bad affects. Coffee makes you feel good but shortens life. Good choice for each to make. Wine lessens cardiovascular degeneration but increases the chance of liver ailments. Flying gets you tere quickly but you can fall. Peanuts are wholesome food but can kill one in a million. In the USA, only the negative part of each of these equations is being seen. Playgrounds have no swigs here anymore becuase they too can be dangerous.

Well, I for one will not worry. I make my own choices. I take calculated risks. I am aware that it all ends in tears anyway: no-one lives over 110 years and anyway, by 80, half of us have Alzheimers. Best enjoy the three score years and ten I'd say.

Would talk more but must be off for a coffee.

teh funnay!!@! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2257906)

u r teh funnay!!!

Re:Shame (1)

mz001b (122709) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257915)

Well, I for one will not worry. I make my own choices. I take calculated risks. I am aware that it all ends in tears anyway: no-one lives over 110 years and anyway, by 80, half of us have Alzheimers.

I sure hope you are not using non-dairy creamer in your coffee--the aluminum in that may increase your risk for Alzheimers.

Re:Shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2258015)

So too may the aluminum in deodorants. Not that *real geeks* risk anything from that method of aluminum absorption.

Re:Shame (2)

friday2k (205692) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257940)

I couldn't agree more with you. Being German and having moved to the US, I observe several things. Americans are "Pseudo Health Fetishists". Everything is fat-free, low-fat, diet or whatever. People are always buying all this stuff but then eat for lunch a nice, Big Mac meal at the McD around the corner. But it comes with a Diet Coke. Phhhhh ... As you said, everything has adverse effects. Coffee, Alcohol maybe even milk. But, as long as you do all of this in reasonable portions it helps you living a joyful life. And life is too short anyway. If you take all the joy out of living your life and consuming things that make you happy, what is the point in maybe living a year longer. Oh, btw, you still might get hit by that car with the drunken Cop at the wheel. Oh, never mind, that only happens in New York ...

When I was 15, I wanted to be 16 so I can drink beer (legally) like the "big guys". When I was 16, I couldn't wait to be 18 and have my own car. Then it was time to get 19 and finish high school. And then, be 24, finish your studies. Then again, get older to gain responsibility and make things happen in the job. Now I am there and want to be back at the beginning again ...

dont many german toilets... (2)

rebelcool (247749) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257964)

have the sheißplatz for inspecting ones feces? Now I would call that going too far for health...

Re:Shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2257969)

I couldn't agree more with you. Being German and having moved to the US

God, why the hell did you move here??? You gave up some freedom but hey, at least the people are morons!

On my one and only visit to the US... (1)

jmp (84073) | more than 12 years ago | (#2258041)

...I was in a convenience store, and the fat woman at the counter ahead of me (about two pick handles across the arse) asked for "A Diet Coke and a Hershey bar".

I suppose the one was to compensate for the effects of the other. Made my day.

Re:Shame (1)

sisukapalli1 (471175) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257966)

Here's a take on "good but bad things in life"...

Fellow goes to a doc who says that he's going to die in 6 months. The fellow, concerned, asks if he can prolong his life. The conversation goes as follows:

Doc: do you have frequent sex?
Fel: Yes
Doc: No more sex for you

Doc: Do you drink?
Fel: I enjoy it a lot
Doc: No more drinking for you

Same goes for good food, coffee, and reading /.
Finally, the fellow asks the doc how much his life span will be increased by these sacrifices:

Doc: No, it won't increase your lifespan, but your life will seem much longer.

S

Re:Shame (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257978)

Just wondering what they used to swig in the playground that was so dangerous? ;)

I have an idea! (1)

itarget (168249) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257980)

If I can drink booze to stave off the effects of caffeine, then logically there must be something to stave off the effects of the booze, and so on...

Hah! I'll take up every vice and live forever! =)

hi (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2257888)

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Hatred (?) for Sam
The Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan
Winners goal: To control, be number one
Making modern day slaves of everyone
That's their plan: To protect, infect
(?) brothers in combat
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Another murder in the name of democracy
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I'm laughing hard - The draft card I watch it burn
They want to see my ass dead, well it's his turn
That's why they're calling me a communist, a socialist
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I'd rather be a commie than a fascist
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Is discretion another ? for the possession of money
And of course I think I'm funny 'cause I'm worldwide
Too many millions are the victims of a genocide
I'm going crazy, all I do is see and stand by
We're a victim of another fucking homicide
So I'm waiting for the day to rush the White House
I see a brother kill a punk and take his head out
Until that day I'm dedicated to open eyes
Organize the revolutionaries of the mind
And yet we'll soon the movement reach an apex
A lynch mob with a noose for Sam's neck
There rests the future for the land that they stole
A whole nation built upon the labor of black folk
He's gonna pay for his crimes to humanity
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And yes I'll put a rest to the merchant of death
With a shotgun blast to his chest
We're the victim of a criminal
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A message so serial
I ain't down to be a killer's accomplice
Accessory to murder so I fight the resistance
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Conspiracy to kill us like the stuff that was all rope
At the same time sinner's equility
For all nationalities in the midst of brutality - yo
Here's the reality while in the United States
Four hundred years of hate and the world's highest murder rate
I`m too unsteady in the pains of ?
Presumed (?) suicide penalty ?
(?) struggle
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and with no shame we`re motivated to rearrange(?)
(?)
Well no one (?) at his goddamned funeral
Not even one individual was the victim of a criminal
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Yeah you know it's time to kill
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It's a world wide genocide I'm on the side
Ain't going out like that
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People oppressed by the world's entire foolery
Comin' up layin' it to you
Yeah and it ain't no joke
Goin' out with nothing but gunsmoke
Organizing a world revolution
Ten thousand Somalis lie dead in the desert sand
Killed by American humanitarians
Operation Restore Hope - No hope restored
Just another killing field a state of war
And just like a rat we never see the attack
(?) of their bodies be they brown or black
We carry out our regime like some zombies (?)
So they believe in every message of the TV screen
The newspapers get filled with propaganda and hype
But you can't believe anything you see, read or write
so you`re slammed up braindead and change the(?)
The American Dream becomes the whole world's nightmare
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Re:hi (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2257903)

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America used to lead the world in hedonism (-1, Troll)

Flabdabb Hubbard (264583) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257891)

It is sad to see us reduced to a nation of scaredy-cats.

I mean, I remember when in America real men drank alcohol. These days its all 'lite' beer and spritzers.

Have we gone soft ? I don't see us living much longer than before so where's the payoff ?

Note : only short-term effects! (3, Informative)

RobertFisher (21116) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257893)

If you actually read this article, the study only confirms that for a few hours after consuming a cup of coffee, your heart is placed under more stress. In and of itself, this does not appear to be very significant. Any vigorous physical activity will also raise your heartrate, constrict your arteries, and put your heart under more stress. It says NOTHING about long-term health consequences, which is really the main issue here.

I recall reading several years ago that at that time, the long-term health consequences of coffee were unclear. Some adverse affects were sometimes suggested in studies, but it turns out there are tremendous confounding factors -- coffee drinkers often tend to eat lots of donuts, be less active, and so on. When the initial population of patient participants was selected as healthy health care professionals, little or no adverse affects were observed for moderate (up to a couple of cups a day) intakes of coffee.

Bob

it's like eating 10,000 calories... (2)

rebelcool (247749) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257954)

Sure, for alot of people thats really Bad. But if you're very active and healthy, it's not.

Don't know, (2, Funny)

James Skarzinskas (518966) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257896)

Don't know if you American folks have them, but there is a coffee restaurant called "the Second Cup" up here. Guess we know how they got their name now; attractive mottos like "Go anywhere else and you will die a slow and painful death" become effective if this news is publicized!

Water kills too. (2, Funny)

schwap (191462) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257904)

I am suprised that there isnt more attention being paid to the excess consumption of water. A sudden change in elctrolites could cause a person's cells to burst. Why arent there any warning labels on bottle water?

I take it... (2, Funny)

gatesh8r (182908) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257910)

Now in resturants we'll have a coffee and no coffee section along with having licences to permit the sale of coffee, not to mention age limits on who can buy coffee???

Imagine if you will:
Reefer: "Yeah, dude, I got this nasty shit from Columbia!"
Stoner: "Yo dude, gimme some of that..."
Reefer: "Ya gotta swollow 2 oz of those coffee grounds with hot water, dude!"
Stoner: "Cooooollllll... my parents will never figure it out! Sweet! I'll pay ya $2000 for it!"

Re:I take it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2258023)

Stoner's parents will soon figure it out when he needs to pull over every 10 minutes to take a leak.

CrAZy CoFFee StoRY (2, Funny)

standards (461431) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257912)

What a crazy article! Since the article doesn't cite a source, one can conclude that the research hasn't been published yet.

And since the research hasn't been published, one can assume that the study has not been peer reviewed - or even hasn't been accepted as worthy science.

So therefore, no one knows if this study is the next greatest find, or just a piece of crap designed to grab headlines.

I suspect the later.

the song this brings to mind (0)

timothy (36799) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257914)

... is Bob Marley singing "One Cup of Coffee." (Dunno if that was a Marley original -- anyone?)

Of course, he died of cancer at an early age, but still ...

And there's KD Lang's cover of Black Coffee on one of those "Just Say [X]" Sire Records samplers, too.

Coffee may not be to everyone's taste or good for the circulatory system, but its redolence has a powerful effect. Nothing like late-night coffee and blueberry pie ...

timothy

hard arteries are good for you (1)

rvr (15565) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257918)

When you get old your bones will become weak and brittle. Hard arteries will actually hold up your body when your bones fail. You heard it hear first.

10:10 to 10:50 and 15:40 to 16:20 (1)

jedwards (135260) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257929)

The European Society of Cardiology (referenced in the Times' article) are having their conference [berkeley.edu] this week.
No mention of coffee - except for the generously long breaks that they're getting...

No More Slashdot (3, Funny)

steelwolff (455926) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257931)

No more coffee means no more reading Slashdot first thing in the morning.
This, of course, would improve workplace productivity in the key IT depts around the nation.
Therefore, a ban on coffee will lead to increased productivity and a rise in economic output, thereby solving the nations economic woes.

Therefore, drinking coffee is the cause of the current economic downturn.

But none of you have read this because you all just gave up coffee.

Nothing wrong with this logic.

Hmmm (1)

TACD (514008) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257933)

A while ago, I read an article in New Scientist. It detailed how experiments on mice showed that injections of caffeine made them far more resilient to the effects of radiation; they were able to survive well above what would usually be a lethal dose.

There's no point in worrying about things harming you. If you listen to stuff like this, you will soon find that you cannot eat or drink anything, or go anywhere. Life is dangerous, we have to accept that.

(Of course, for the same caffeine effect on people, you would need to drink 40 cups of coffee. Get crackin'.)

Re:Hmmm (1)

Sigh Phi (324315) | more than 12 years ago | (#2258034)

On the other hand, a caffeine overdose may be one of the more painful and sickening experiences of your life.

Like any drug... do it in extreme moderation. ;-)

Don't tell the Mormons about this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2257937)

They'll just say "I told you so!".

But it's chock full o antioxidants (2)

WillSeattle (239206) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257938)

There was another article today on Reuters Health pointing out that coffee was chock full of antioxidants.

So it's all a wash.

coffee, caffeine. (2, Interesting)

wilgamesh (308197) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257943)

let me point out that this article claims the study advises at the end says that one should switch to decaffeinated coffee- so is it the caffeine in the coffee that's causing the artery hardening, etc?

to establish that it's the caffeine, then a control study should have been done with decaffeinated coffee. even better, another study should be conducted in which the effects of no-doz or other purified caffeine pills are measured relative to placebo pills.

and if it is *just* the caffeine, then clearly the advisory should be applied toward all caffeinated drinks. just such jolt, or cola, or tea.

in short, i think that either the reporting of this science or the science itself is a bit sloppy. this must have been funded by some anti-coffee foundation.

Hooray! A post that makes sense! (1)

Dr. Spork (142693) | more than 12 years ago | (#2258008)

Isn't it funny how much of the internet news no longer feels any compulsion to cite the actual studies when they present "scientific results"? Or how they don't really care about the limitations of the study itself, and its possible wider implications?

Well, let them be stupid; anyone can post stuff to the internet. But I do hope the Slashdot staff show better judgement in the future before linking to "scientific results" presented in this shoddy a manner.

Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2257944)

Studies also confirm that swallowing saliva in small amounts over a long period of time causes cancer. It could also be a major factor in the aging process. Also, nearly 100 percent of all people recently diagnosed with death were habitual breathers until moments before the onset of death.

Bah!

Me too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2257945)

When I was a hardcore frappuccino junkie my heart felt really weak. The best approach is to get up much earlier in the day and do some excerises.

Caffeine, coffee and Irn-Bru (2, Informative)

Spacelem (189863) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257947)

Alright - I'll admit that I'm hopelessly addicted to caffeine. I take it in all forms, normal coffee (three heaped spoonfuls), espresso (the same), tea (brewed for at least 3 minutes) and last but not least Irn-Bru.

I don't think Irn-Bru is available in America, but in Scotland, it's our unofficial national beverage. Plus, it's also got more caffeine in it than any other fizzy drink. I drink this stuff by the bottle load, normally accompanied by my friends when we're watching a DVD, playing Quake, or just cos I'm desperate for another glass.

It's freakin' typical that my favourite drinks all turn out to be lethal.

Re:Caffeine, coffee and Irn-Bru (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257986)

Irn-Bru, made in Scotland from girrrrderrrs! We get it in Canada (not particularly common mind you), but the only place I've seen it in the US was British import shops.

coffee quotes (5, Funny)

FarHat (96381) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257979)

* Turkish Proverb: "Coffee should be black as hell, strong as death,
and sweet as love."
* Sheikh Abd-al-Kadir (1587): "No one can understand the truth until
he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness."
* Sir James MacKintosh (18th century philosopher): "The powers of a
man's mind are directly proportional to the quantity of coffee he
drank."
* Johann Sebastian Bach (1732, an aria from his 'Kaffee-Kantate'):
"Ah! How sweet coffee tastes! Lovlier than a thousand kisses,
sweeter than muscatel wine! I must have my coffee..."
* David Letterman (Esquire Interview Fall '94): "If it wasn't for
coffee, I'd have no discernible personality at all."
* Chris Egolf (1993): "This damn pot is too fucking slow!"
* Wise New York City Homeless Man (1996, to Chris Egolf): "Son, you
need to get some coffee in you so people know you're alive!"

Presentations. (1)

jedwards (135260) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257984)

Charalambos Vlachopoulos presented this (or related) information earlier this year

http://www.congressreview.com/cardio/orlando/115 9- 160.htm
http://www.congressreview.com/2525v.htm

Methods: We studied 20 healthy volunteers (50±16 yrs) in a randomized, double-blind, crossover fashion (250 mg of caffeine orally -equivalent to 2-3 cups of coffee- and placebo

Results: Caffeine led to an acute increase in pulse wave velocity ... denoting increase of aortic stiffness

No Coca-Cola? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2257985)

> ... should consider switching to a
> decaffeinated coffee or stop drinking it.
>
> The findings showed that the first cup had the
> most significant effect because caffeine levels
> in the blood had dropped during the night. The
> second and third cups caused only marginally
> worse hardening of the arteries.

So drinking Coca-Cola is out too?

Ban Coffee (3, Funny)

fishbowl (7759) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257987)

I think they should ban coffee, with the same force of prohibition that they ban marijuana.
It makes exactly as much sense.

On the other hand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2257991)

Coffee is good for you [yahoo.com].

(The above comment violated the postercomment compression filter. Comment aborted)

How to tell if you drink too much coffee.... (2)

www.sorehands.com (142825) | more than 12 years ago | (#2257999)

You might want to check out, You drink too much coffee when.. [sorehands.com]


But, there has been some studies that show that coffee drinkers are less likely to get bladder cancer. Probably because there is nothing in the bladder long enough to cause cancer. Beer may work that way too, but you don't have the side affect of wanting to climb a transmission tower and piss on high voltage wires.

Coffee Hardening Your Arteries? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2258000)

And in an unrelated PR move today:

Sun Microsystems has announced that its computer language "Java" was indeed named after the Indonesian island, and NOT after a type of coffee. "Coffee is bad for people, we would never encourage anything like that", said Sun's representative.

Jogging and Napping... (0)

CheapScott (83584) | more than 12 years ago | (#2258001)

I've never started the coffee habit, though have had the occasional mountain dew/coke/pepsi to power my all-nighters.

I find that getting jogging for a little in the morning helps he feel pretty good for the day...of course, that 30-minute nap in the afternoon really helps out, too.

One article I read on a plane between US and Europe was praising the benefits of the nap, and was of course, encouraging the corporate-types to endorse the practices (instead of just work-work-work-work until you drop). There was something about a 30 minute nap making people much more productive than if they drank two cups of coffee.

The other point was that if you were taking a nap, that it should be in increments of 30-minutes (i.e. don't wake-up at 45-minutes or 75 minutes, etc.). This is due to the sleep cycles that the body goes through. You end-up waking in the middle of a deep cycle, and you just want to keep-on-sleeping.

Geez, I love naps....

misparsing? (4, Funny)

merlyn (9918) | more than 12 years ago | (#2258007)

I had to read

the intake of caffeine from a single coffee can

three times before I figured out that it didn't mean "a coffee can", because I was trying to figure out how to drink from multiple cans instead.

This study must be buried (1)

ctimes2 (38940) | more than 12 years ago | (#2258018)

If word gets out and coffee starts getting regulated... well my GOD MAN! IT'LL MEAN THE END OF TECHNOLOGY! C'mon folks, you know as well as I do that technology subsists on caffine and sugar.

well... that and innovation from MS. *snicker!*
Ctimes2

If This Upsets You, Just Wait... (2)

istartedi (132515) | more than 12 years ago | (#2258022)

...in another 6 months they'll release a study claiming that coffee could help prevent cancer. It'll all balance out. Yeah, I know this is a bit jaded, but what do you expect after years of studies claiming that such-n-such harms you, followd by another round of studies claimng that such-n-such is good for you?

As a general rule, you need at least a lifetime to really figure it out. Some of this stuff *should* be obvious. Did we really need the surgeon general to tell us that chronic smoke inhalation isn't good for us? For centuries people have witnessed others who drank themselves to death, so we pretty much knew excessive alcohol consumption wasn't good either.

In modern times, the 1st world has developed the ability to feed itself so that gluttony is now affordable. But that's one of the 7 deadly sins, so once again it should have occured to us that eating 6 big macs for breakfast and never exercising wasn't such a good idea.

Most everything else is so subtle that you just shouldn't worry about it.

Oh yeah, what about this study? (2)

fleener (140714) | more than 12 years ago | (#2258028)

Well, this study [yahoo.com] reports that coffee is a rich source of antioxidants.

Sept 5, 2001: LONDON (Reuters) - Coffee beats green tea by containing four times the amount of health-boosting antioxidants, which can assist in preventing or postponing the onset of degenerative diseases, according to a new study.
...
Antioxidants reduce the effects on the human body of harmful substances known as free radicals which may be a major contributor to cardiovascular disease, cancer, cataracts and decline of the immune and nervous system.

My Grandpa drank coffee all day, every day... (1)

Rakefighter (147924) | more than 12 years ago | (#2258035)

...for nearly 80 years. If I can live as long as him, I couldn't really give a rat's ass what coffee does to my arteries.

I'm really not convinced that coffee's as dangerous as these people would have you believe.

I'm waiting for them to do a study... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2258036)

...of people who worry about studies. I bet they all drop dead by 40.

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